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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well, if he stated it as an opinion, that's not really much of an issue, is it?

    If he's trying to say "you shouldn't have done that" in the sense of "I'm telling you what to do", well he can't, so it's kinda moot.

    What does it matter?

    Maybe I'm missing what about it bugs you?
    It's not that it bugs me, because the case being argued doesn't affect me one way or another. I guess it was more surprise on my part that he would voice his opinion as the POTUS, which is a little different than someone making the same statement while sitting at a diner having lunch with co-workers.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It's not that it bugs me, because the case being argued doesn't affect me one way or another. I guess it was more surprise on my part that he would voice his opinion as the POTUS, which is a little different than someone making the same statement while sitting at a diner having lunch with co-workers.
    Hi Polgara you think that, even after the many examples posted in this thread of other presidents doing the very same thing?
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

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    Heard rumors to the affect but nothing specific and since they didn't control the Congress, it is just that rumor. Show me the bill?
    Since who doesn't control the congress? Democrats are working with republicans in that effort. So do you like that, or is that somehow different because you don't give a **** about Medicare anyway?
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hi Polgara you think that, even after the many examples posted in this thread of other presidents doing the very same thing?
    Greetings, Monte.

    I didn't say Obama was unique. You've known me for a while...I've always given credit where it's due but I have also questioned things that don't make sense, no matter who said them - both on here and in RL. I expect the same from others.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Just goes to show how stupid that "We have to pass it to see what's in it" crowd really was.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The op hasn't anything to do with a SOTU address. Funny, first it was just plain wrong for Obama to do this, I'm laughing how the goal posts have been moved now that nobody can hide from the fact it's pretty common for a president to do this, we'll have to pick on his time and place. It's the constant partisan bias at DP.
    New information causes a change in posture of the position. That never happens to you?

    Still consistent in that I think the SOTU speech isn't the right time nor place to do so.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Monte.

    I didn't say Obama was unique. You've known me for a while...I've always given credit where it's due but I have also questioned things that don't make sense, no matter who said them - both on here and in RL. I expect the same from others.
    Does that mean that you question the sense of all presidents that have criticized SCOTUS's? I just don't understand why a president can't do this. He's an American citizen before he's president. I criticize SCOTUS rulings I disagree with. Bush did as president, it just seems so natural and unimportant.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    New information causes a change in posture of the position. That never happens to you?

    Still consistent in that I think the SOTU speech isn't the right time nor place to do so.
    But he didn't say this in a SOTU address!!!!!!??????? Why do you insist on bringing it into here? Oh, wait a minute, I know. Because you've been shown that all these other presidents have done so before him so we have to now make it about the venue, jump from the op to some other event. This is about Obama criticizing the SCOTUS ruling that you agree with, ha fancy that. Just like Bush did. Really, presidents have every right to do this, you should stop fretting over it.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But he didn't say this in a SOTU address!!!!!!??????? Why do you insist on bringing it into here? Oh, wait a minute, I know.
    Steady there big fella.

    You must have missed this earlier post of mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No, I'd be inclined to say that it's not appropriate. What would be more appropriate and good leadership, IMHO, would be to make a statement similar to 'the court has ruled and we all are bound by these rules, so let's move forward even though it may not be the decision we agree with' or something along that vein.

    We already know that Obama's not bound by such decorum or solid leadership principals, as shown in how he criticized SCOTUS for the Citizens United v. FEC decision in the middle of SOTU address no less. Very poor form, if you ask me.
    I can think of no harsher SCOTUS criticism that Obama delivered about SCOTUS, and yes, this was during a SOTU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because you've been shown that all these other presidents have done so before him so we have to now make it about the venue, jump from the op to some other event. This is about Obama criticizing the SCOTUS ruling that you agree with, ha fancy that. Just like Bush did. Really, presidents have every right to do this, you should stop fretting over it.
    No, venue, decorum and leadership were all part of it from the beginning, and consistent from the onset. And I think think that a SOTU address isn't the time for any president to criticize SCOTUS or the other party either for that matter. It's not really the purpose of a SOTU, berate those with whom you disagree, now is it?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Steady there big fella.

    You must have missed this earlier post of mine.



    I can think of no harsher SCOTUS criticism that Obama delivered about SCOTUS, and yes, this was during a SOTU.



    No, venue, decorum and leadership were all part of it from the beginning, and consistent from the onset. And I think think that a SOTU address isn't the time for any president to criticize SCOTUS or the other party either for that matter. It's not really the purpose of a SOTU, berate those with whom you disagree, now is it?
    Will you please show me where a state of the union address has anything to do with the op, and the thread you're posting in?
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