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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Ummm what is eye for an eye, and have you ever heard of the inquisition or the witch trials?
    Have you noticed that those things don't happen any longer in any religion other than Islam? You may be talking about old history but I'm talking about today.

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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Ummm what is eye for an eye
    And if you kept reading...

    Matthew 5:38-42 "38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’h 39But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."


    Seems that clarifies the point.

    and have you ever heard of the inquisition or the witch trials?
    You are conflating the actions of man with the teachings of Jesus. Someone can go on a shooting spree in a movie theater but that doesn't mean the law condones it.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Have you noticed that those things don't happen any longer in any religion other than Islam? You may be talking about old history but I'm talking about today.
    What about Christian identity who reserve the right to kill homosexuals and people who aren't white Protestants or Talmudic zionists who believe in the ability to kill non Jewish goyim because they aren't real people, but rather cattle?

    Remember the holocaust was a reality of our grandfathers, every single religion has an extremist sect to it no matter what the religion is. The problem is, that due to our invasion / occupation in places like Iraq Afghanistan, Iran, Egypt, Syria, libya etc. we increase the extremism of "anti infidel" belief.

    A majority of Islamic people don't believe in killing Christians or Jews, only a few. Just like a majority of Christians and Jews don't believe in killing Islamic people or each other but certain sects do

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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And if you kept reading...

    Matthew 5:38-42 "38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’h 39But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."


    Seems that clarifies the point.



    You are conflating the actions of man with the teachings of Jesus. Someone can go on a shooting spree in a movie theater but that doesn't mean the law condones it.
    Seriously what the hell is your point here. Old Testament clearly states god gave people the right to kill homosexuals and extract revenge in an equal manner, thus you kill my brother I can kill you...

    Please I don't need bible verses to try to disprove the point that Christianity has killed more people probably then anything else in the history of the world besides disease

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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Seriously what the hell is your point here. Old Testament clearly states god gave people the right to kill homosexuals and extract revenge in an equal manner, thus you kill my brother I can kill you...
    The old Testament is not Christian, there were no Christians before the birth of Christ. If you want to know what laws CHRISTIANS are meant to follow you read the New Testament, which the book of Matthew is apart of.

    Please I don't need bible verses to try to disprove the point that Christianity has killed more people probably then anything else in the history of the world besides disease
    [citation needed]

    Actually, don't bother, you are absurdly wrong. The ideology with the highest body count by far in human history is Communism.

    Communism has a body count in the hundreds of millions, the inquisitions killed about 2500 people over the course of 500 years, the Salem witch trials executed 19 people.
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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The old Testament is not Christian, there were no Christians before the birth of Christ. If you want to know what laws CHRISTIANS are meant to follow you read the New Testament, which the book of Matthew is apart of.



    [citation needed]

    Actually, don't bother, you are absurdly wrong. The ideology with the highest body count by far in human history is Communism.
    1. Is the Old Testament in the King James Bible? So you're saying if I go to a church on Sunday and listen to a preacher speak they will never quote a verse of the Old Testament.

    2. It's impossible to substantiate my claim hence the term "probably", because the list is so vast and full of history there is no way we can ever actually prove my claim to be true or false, which is why it's more of a "normative claim" based on judgement as opposed to a "positive claim" based on fact. I emphasis "killed more people probably then anything besides disease" the truth is we don't have an exact number of how many people have died from Christianity. Communism is estimated 60 to 100 million, but we don't know how accurate that number is how many actually were sentenced to death by the state as opposed to failed policy, etc etc.

    Here's a list of a brief history of all the deaths that were sanctioned and ordered by the church or Christian extremists Christian Atrocities | Victims of Christianity | Catholic Church Inquisition | Crusades

    Again, please explain to me how I am wrong in asserting that Christians kill a lot of people and the Islam is not the only religion that historically has condoned the killings of people.

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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1. Is the Old Testament in the King James Bible? So you're saying if I go to a church on Sunday and listen to a preacher speak they will never quote a verse of the Old Testament.
    The New Testament is the law that Christians are asked to follow, as I showed you with the Matthew quote, the New Testament significantly changes the responsibilities of Christians, and eliminates the Eye for an Eye as you understand it.

    The Old Testament is like the Magna Carta in comparison to the US Constitution, it is there as a historical context, not as the law. The only law of the old testament that carries forward unchanged by the New Testament are the Ten Commandments, and I don't see anything in them that tells you to kill homosexuals.

    Remember that Jesus taught "let those who are without sin cast the first stone", meaning that no one is better than another, and nobody by God is qualified to judge people on their sins. The Inquisitions and the Witch trials were in direct violation of Jesus' teachings.

    2. It's impossible to substantiate my claim hence the term "probably", because the list is so vast and full of history there is no way we can ever actually prove my claim to be true or false, which is why it's more of a "normative claim" based on judgement as opposed to a "positive claim" based on fact. I emphasis "killed more people probably then anything besides disease" the truth is we don't have an exact number of how many people have died from Christianity.[/quote]

    Translation: You made it up.

    Communism is estimated 60 to 100 million, but we don't know how accurate that number is how many actually were sentenced to death by the state as opposed to failed policy, etc etc.
    It's closer to 150 million, and you would be hard pressed trying to argue that deaths from "failed policies" shouldn't count since the Communists states kept pushing failed ideologies while the populations died.

    Here's a list of a brief history of all the deaths that were sanctioned and ordered by the church or Christian extremists Christian Atrocities | Victims of Christianity | Catholic Church Inquisition | Crusades
    Reading through the list I stopped when I got to this passage:

    Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered.


    What kind of ahistoric nimrod compiled this list? The Battle of Belgrade was a Ottoman Siege of a Christian city as part of an Ottoman invasion. How do you hold the Christians responsible for the death of Turkish invaders?

    Then they try and attribute the Rwandan massacre of Christianity because of reports that two nuns were accused of helping the Hutus, ignoring that the the biggest opposition to the genocide in Rwanda was from the Christian churches and priests.

    It becomes clear that the author of your list is not someone to be trusted with a clear retelling of history.

    Again, please explain to me how I am wrong in asserting that Christians kill a lot of people and the Islam is not the only religion that historically has condoned the killings of people.
    I told you already that Christianity doesn't condone murder as you have argued, and where Christians have committed murder they weren't following Christian teachings.

    Islam is different because where as Jesus taught to turn away from the brutality of the past, Mohammed taught to kill, and indeed killed many people himself.
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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Neither judaism or christianity claim a right to kill.
    Apparently you don't know the god of the Old Testament very well do you?

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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The New Testament is the law that Christians are asked to follow, as I showed you with the Matthew quote, the New Testament significantly changes the responsibilities of Christians, and eliminates the Eye for an Eye as you understand it.

    The Old Testament is like the Magna Carta in comparison to the US Constitution, it is there as a historical context, not as the law. The only law of the old testament that carries forward unchanged by the New Testament are the Ten Commandments, and I don't see anything in them that tells you to kill homosexuals.

    Remember that Jesus taught "let those who are without sin cast the first stone", meaning that no one is better than another, and nobody by God is qualified to judge people on their sins. The Inquisitions and the Witch trials were in direct violation of Jesus' teachings.

    2. It's impossible to substantiate my claim hence the term "probably", because the list is so vast and full of history there is no way we can ever actually prove my claim to be true or false, which is why it's more of a "normative claim" based on judgement as opposed to a "positive claim" based on fact. I emphasis "killed more people probably then anything besides disease" the truth is we don't have an exact number of how many people have died from Christianity.

    Translation: You made it up.



    It's closer to 150 million, and you would be hard pressed trying to argue that deaths from "failed policies" shouldn't count since the Communists states kept pushing failed ideologies while the populations died.



    Reading through the list I stopped when I got to this passage:

    Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered.


    What kind of ahistoric nimrod compiled this list? The Battle of Belgrade was a Ottoman Siege of a Christian city as part of an Ottoman invasion. How do you hold the Christians responsible for the death of Turkish invaders?

    Then they try and attribute the Rwandan massacre of Christianity because of reports that two nuns were accused of helping the Hutus, ignoring that the the biggest opposition to the genocide in Rwanda was from the Christian churches and priests.

    It becomes clear that the author of your list is not someone to be trusted with a clear retelling of history.



    I told you already that Christianity doesn't condone murder as you have argued, and where Christians have committed murder they weren't following Christian teachings.

    Islam is different because where as Jesus taught to turn away from the brutality of the past, Mohammed taught to kill, and indeed killed many people himself.
    So Islam is wrong for doing it.... but when shown Christians have done it in the past.... you chalk it off to "They weren't real christians"

    Typical....

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    re: U.S. Soldier Who Killed 16 Afghans feels guilt and fear [W:63]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So Islam is wrong for doing it.... but when shown Christians have done it in the past.... you chalk it off to "They weren't real christians"

    Typical....
    No, I am saying that blaming Christian sins on Christianity when the Bible tells them not to is invalid. Islam is different because those who kill in the name of Allah are doing what Mohammed did.

    IF Jesus spread Christianity by the sword, overrunning and decapitating those who would not convert then you may have a point, but he didn't.
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