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Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party[W:367:425****]

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Kreton said:
They only thing they did was walk away because he had no reason to detain them.
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Just stop. You have no idea of what you speak and are wrong.
He had every right to detain to investigative purposes.


Kreton said:
He pulled a gun on unarmed children.
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Wrong. He pulled his firearm out and had it at ready in response to an aggressive 19 year old male.
It was justified.


Kreton said:
He used force to restrain a child who he had no reason to believe was doing anything wrong.
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:doh
Her failure to comply was doing wrong. Then she resisted.
So just stop you clearly have no idea of what you speak.



Kreton said:
Show me where in his policy, protocol or training
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No you show me where his actions were prohibited.


Kreton said:
an officer should show up at a relatively calm scene and pull guns and use force on kids,
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You are making assuptions and then compounding your error with exaggeration.
Each action that were discussing was justified.
He ran after the kids who took off instead of following his orders.
The other points were already mentioned.


Kreton said:
and turn what should have been a very simple issue into a national media event.
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The false claims of racism is what did that.


Kreton said:
Show me where in his policy, protocol or training it says and officer should let his emotions take control and should overreact to a situation because he feels disrespected by teens. Show me where in his policy, protocol or training it says he can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants because he is a cop and rules dont apply to him.
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No, you were asked to show the violations. Until you do you can not claim they were any violations.
The only emotions present was his swearing.
Everything else was justified. Again, show it wasn't. The Chief surely hasn't. So how about you?
 
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Excon said:
Just stop. You have no idea of what you speak and are wrong.
He had every right to detain to investigative purposes.


Wrong. He pulled his firearm out and had it at ready in response to an aggressive 19 year old male.
It was justified.


:doh
Her failure to comply was doing wrong. Then she resisted.
So just stop you clearly have no idea of what you speak.



No you show me where his actions were prohibited.


You are making assuptions and then compounding your error with exaggeration.
Each action that were discussing was justified.
He ran after the kids who took off instead of following his orders.
The other points were already mentioned.


The false claims of racism is what did that.


No, you were asked to show the violations. Until you do you can not claim they were any violations.
The only emotions present was his swearing.
Everything else was justified. Again, show it wasn't. The Chief surely hasn't. So how about you?
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If he was acting properly he wouldn't have been disciplined. There is nothing that says you can detain everyone that walks by a pool, so no he did not have the right to detain anyone he wanted too. The boy who he initially pulled the gun in response too had done nothing aggressive. Trying to help a friend being assaulted and make sure she is ok, does not warrant getting a gun pulled on you. Neither had the other kids who many were younger than 19 who had a gun pointed at them either. As for their protocol, you are making the claim. He was suspended for his actions. His boss, who i would assume know the policy and protocol better than you has said he didnt. The false claims of racism didn't escalate this, his actions did. He did not act appropriately, his actions created a hostile situation. Again his being a cop does not give him the authority to do anything he wants to whoever he wants. It does not give him the right to treat people any way he'd like.
 
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Kreton said:
If he was acting properly he wouldn't have been disciplined.
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You are again showing you do not know what you are talking about.
He wasn't.


Kreton said:
There is nothing that says you can detain everyone that walks by a pool,
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You are again showing you do not know what you are talking about.
He didn't.


Kreton said:
so no he did not have the right to detain anyone he wanted too.
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You are again showing you do not know what you are talking about.
Go look up the law.


Kreton said:
The boy who he initially pulled the gun in response too had done nothing aggressive.
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If you do not think that approaching the Officer in the way he did is aggressive, you do not live in reality.
Secondly you have to look at it as how it would have been perceived by the Officer.
Not second guessing based on what you see.
Me. I see the 19 year old running up on the Officer. That is aggressive no mater how you wish to categorize it.

I then see him slip on the grass causing it to look like he is taking an even more aggressive posture.
I also see when he slipped that both hands reach to his back at separate times making it look like he may have been grabbing for something.

Of course he was being aggressive by running up on the Officer. Then his misfortune in slipping would have made it appear far worse.


Kreton said:
Trying to help a friend being assaulted and make sure she is ok, does not warrant getting a gun pulled on you.
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No one was being assaulted.
Trying to help a friend who is resisting lawful detainment is interference and against the law.

If you do not think that approaching the Officer in the way he did is not aggressive, you do not live in reality.


Kreton said:
Neither had the other kids who many were younger than 19 who had a gun pointed at them either.
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You are again showing you do not know what you are talking about.
No one had the gun pointed at them.

He took it out and had it at the ready with his finger off the trigger.
At no time did he point it at anyone.


Kreton said:
As for their protocol, you are making the claim.
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I do not have to prove the negative here.
You say there were violations, prove it.


Kreton said:
He was suspended for his actions.
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You are again showing you do not know what you are talking about.
No he wasn't. He was placed on administrative leave so an investigation could be conducted. It is SOP.
You really should have bothered to find out the facts before engaging in this discussion.


Kreton said:
His boss, who i would assume know the policy and protocol better than you has said he didnt.
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This is you showing you haven't bothered to pay attention to what has already been stated and becasue you didn't you are engaged in a logical fallacy as well as an illogical argument.


Kreton said:
The false claims of racism didn't escalate this, his actions did.
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No. His actions were justified. So no, that is not what caused this.
It was exactly as I stated. The false claims of racism is what precipitated the reporting and outcry by those who cry wolf.


Kreton said:
his actions created a hostile situation.
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Wrong.
The failure to comply and then resisting did.


Kreton said:
Again his being a cop does not give him the authority to do anything he wants to whoever he wants. It does not give him the right to treat people any way he'd like.
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More nonsense.
But for swearing, his actions were justified.
 
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Excon said:
More nonsense.
But for swearing, his actions were justified.
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You aren't actually replying. Keep trying if you want. But his actions are not justified by anyone but you and a couple other people who don't believe cops should be held accountable for their actions.
 
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Kreton said:
You aren't actually replying. Keep trying if you want. But his actions are not justified by anyone but you and a couple other people who don't believe cops should be held accountable for their actions.
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No, you are the one who isn't actually replying or refuting any the provided information. His actions were justified and you can nto refute that.
Not only that, but you were the one spewing untrue bs because you do not know what you are talking about. :doh

You thinking he pointed his firearm at anyone speaks volumes of your biased perspective.
 
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Kreton said:
You aren't actually replying. Keep trying if you want. But his actions are not justified by anyone but you and a couple other people who don't believe cops should be held accountable for their actions.
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Yes.

And high praise to the other 11 cops who were there who handled it wisely and in control. The Bolthead, not so much.

Police Chief's press conference:
"I had 12 officers on scene and 11 of them performed according to their training. They did an excellent job."

"the actions of Casebolt, as seen on the video of the disturbance at the community pool, are indefensible. Our policies, our training and our practice do not support his actions. He came into the call out of control and as the video shows was out of control during the incident."
 
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Paperview said:
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He called Casebolt's actions “indefensible” and “out of control.”

"Conley emphasized that 11 out of 12 officers on scene “performed according to their training.” He decried those who violated community rules and disrespected authorities during the incident, but also made clear that Casebolt, as a police officer, is held to a higher standard.

“Our policies, our training and our practice do not support his actions,” Conley said during a press conference Tuesday evening."


Deny all you want. Really. It makes for hilarious reading.
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Still an irrelevant, illogical and an ignorant reply to that what was already pointed out.

He is not the authority on his actions. The review board would have been.
Do you or do you not understand that?


Aagain.
Though he is not the authority, lets say he is. Whether or not it is as he claimed is open for debate, which makes relying on the claimant as the authority illogical.
Again. It is obvious that politics and CYA from the BGI is being played.


Regardless, you can not refute the following and neither has the Chief.
Nothing he did was criminal or racist. The only thing that can really be said is that his swearing was unprofessional.

His action in forcing the resisting girl to the ground was justified.
His action in drawing his firearm was justified.
His action in detaining individuals to ascertain what was going on was justified.
His attitude to those who did not listen to what they were told was justified.​
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I dont get why everyone hasnt figured out that excon is some devil's advocate argument obsessor. He picks the wrong side and argues it out to the fullest, often leading you to your own conclusions and arguing with yourself with key words included or omitted. Honestly your best option is to scroll past his posts every time you see his name.
 
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Hmmm....who to believe -- the Chief of Police who knows policy, procedures and training and was Casebolt's boss, and a ****ton of Police experts and who side with the Chief --

or some anonymous internet poster who never met an over-zealous authoritarian he didn't like.

Hmmmm....decision, decisions.
 
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Paperview said:
Hmmm....who to believe -- the Chief of Police who knows policy, procedures and training and was Casebolt's boss, and a ****ton of Police experts and who side with the Chief --

or some anonymous internet poster who never met an over-zealous authoritarian he didn't like.

Hmmmm....decision, decisions.
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Well put.

Excon- I am curious. Has their ever been any incident of a police shooting that you didn't feel the cop was justified? Are cops always in the right no matter what they do? Should law enforcement officers be held accountable for their actions?
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
I dont get why everyone hasnt figured out that excon is some devil's advocate argument obsessor. He picks the wrong side and argues it out to the fullest, often leading you to your own conclusions and arguing with yourself with key words included or omitted. Honestly your best option is to scroll past his posts every time you see his name.
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Thanks for the advice. I usually do. He's almost always wrong, but it is funny to read how takes it to such wild extremes.

On the occasions I do get sucked into a response and toss it around with him, I have to applaud the audacity because his posts make for great liberal recruitment material.


:lol:
 
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As usual, those who can not refute the presented arguments turn their focus to the poster instead.



dirtpoorchris said:
I dont get why everyone hasnt figured out that excon is some devil's advocate argument obsessor. He picks the wrong side and argues it out to the fullest, often leading you to your own conclusions and arguing with yourself with key words included or omitted.
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Wrong.




Kreton said:
Well put.

Excon- I am curious. Has their ever been any incident of a police shooting that you didn't feel the cop was justified? Are cops always in the right no matter what they do? Should law enforcement officers be held accountable for their actions?
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Well put?
It was an irrelevant, illogical and an ignorant reply to that what was already pointed out.


As for me? Search the forum and find out.




Paperview said:
He's almost always wrong,
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Wrong.
 
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Kreton said:
I dont need to search, ive discussed many of them with you. Am I safe to assume your answers are NO, YES, NO?
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Again. Search the forum and figure it out.
 
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Excon said:


Well put?
It was an irrelevant, illogical and an ignorant reply to that what was already pointed out.

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What the chief off police, experts, witnesses, ect say are irrelevant? If none of that is relevant, what is? Would the chief and everyone else be irrelevant if they agreed with you or would you be posting non stop about how their opinion does matter?

Another question for you. If this cop was justified, and followed protocol as you claim, should the other 11 officers be suspended for not acting how he did since they must have failed to follow protocol if protocol was to act like him?
 
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Kreton said:
Based on your forum posts, then per your posts, no cop can do any wrong, they may do what they want, and they should not be held accountable for their actions.
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Ad hom
 
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Kreton said:
Based on your forum posts, then per your posts, no cop can do any wrong, they may do what they want, and they should not be held accountable for their actions.
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There you go showing that you have no idea what you are talking about again. Figures.
Also showing that you make things up.
 
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Kreton said:
What the chief off police, experts, witnesses, ect say are irrelevant? If none of that is relevant, what is? Would the chief and everyone else be irrelevant if they agreed with you or would you be posting non stop about how their opinion does matter?
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This is still you not paying attention to what was stated.
You read it and even quoted from it.

Again.
A review would have been the authority on the matter or if then appealed or taken to court, that final step would be the authority.
But that isn't going to happen now.

Though he is not the authority, lets say he is. Whether or not it is as he claimed is open for debate, which makes relying on the claimant as the authority illogical.​


Kreton said:
Another question for you. If this cop was justified, and followed protocol as you claim, should the other 11 officers be suspended for not acting how he did since they must have failed to follow protocol if protocol was to act like him?
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More lame irrelevancy.
 
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Paperview said:
Weak.
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Said the one with weak replies that could not refute the presented arguments. :doh
 
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