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1. Being unprofessional is not criminal.
2. The language was far less worse than the music the Dj had been playing. Which puts the outrage over his use of language to the teens as nonsensical and depending on the person may even be hypocritical.
3. Did you not pay attention to the video? The kids the language had been use on had done something wrong.

1. I am not saying his language and behavior are criminal. Your employer can discipline you for being unprofessional whether you break any laws or not.
2. A DJ at a party is expected to play music, and some of that music is going to have questionable lyrics. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. If I hear a child listening to music with profanity it is not a green light to verbally berate and curse at them.
3. How on Earth do you know who was doing what? Talking back to a cop is not illegal.
 
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Bill Oreilly is now using this instance to initiate what he sees as, "A war on Police":

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Talking Points Memo & Top Story

The War on Cops
Guests:Jonathan Gilliam & Keane Toney
Racially charged shootings all over America have received enormous coverage on television and now it looks like the police are being hammered. The situation in McKinney, TX is just the latest example of police being scrutinized. Is American losing respect for the country's law enforcement? We'll talk to two former law officers and whether the McKinney officer was over the line and if Americans aren't giving cops a fair shake.


The O'Reilly Factor - 'The War on Cops'

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It appears to have been recorded before the officer's resignation & the department press conference.

To his credit, he does state the officer was wrong to draw his weapon.

Of course billy would conflate the war on bad cops with a war on cops! Is anybody surprised??
 
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That girl needs a few days in jail, and I hope they track down the two burly kids who ran up and were about to assault the office before he was able to get his weapon out.
 
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The only thing that was "out of control" at the scene were the "urban youths" who crashed the party. Sounds like the Chief is tossing his officer under the bus to appease the "Black Lives Matter" crowd.

Wrong. Leave the racial element out of this and you still have unprofessional cops that need reprimand.
 
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The only thing that was "out of control" at the scene were the "urban youths" who crashed the party. Sounds like the Chief is tossing his officer under the bus to appease the "Black Lives Matter" crowd.

The more I hear about this, the worse our news media looks. Seems it wasn't just some innocent pool party where the poor teens were assaulted by police.

Looks more like This girl didn't have permission to have the party, they were on private property and refused to leave, she was charging money for people to be there and trying to promote another event, again for profit. There fights going on, they were threatening people at the pool, etc...

But go ahead libs, side with them. After all, the police are evil. But, you'd be the first to call them if something like this happened on your property.
 
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Apparently you do not understand he is playing politics and CYA. Hopefully the residents have him fired.
Apparently, you don't realize this officer was out of control and broke policy & procedure, which is why he is out of a job - the Chief is still there, and if I was a local citizen he'd have my support!

But the important thing is: another out-of-control cop is off the streets, and public is safer for it.

I personally think the officer may have been redeemable after some discipline and receiving re-training. But it's risky, and I don't blame the department for playing it safe - he showed a propensity to escalate to preparation for deadly force, unwarranted & in a flash.

Guys like him (if uncorrected) cost their departments (and ultimately the citizen taxpayers) tons of money & time in lawsuits, while costing their departments huge losses of goodwill, to say nothing of the injuries caused the good citizens.

Already several civil suits have been brought forth, I suspect with more to follow. There's no reason for the citizen taxpayers to be both the victims of his behaviour, and the responsible parties to his financial liability.
 
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Apparently, you don't realize this officer was out of control and broke policy & procedure, which is why he is out of a job - the Chief is still there, and if I was a local citizen he'd have my support!

But the important thing is: another out-of-control cop is off the streets, and public is safer for it.

I personally think the officer may have been redeemable after some discipline and receiving re-training. But it's risky, and I don't blame the department for playing it safe - he showed a propensity to escalate to preparation for deadly force, unwarranted & in a flash.

Guys like him (if uncorrected) cost their departments (and ultimately the citizen taxpayers) tons of money & time in lawsuits, while costing their departments huge losses of goodwill, to say nothing of the injuries caused the good citizens.

Already several civil suits have been brought forth, I suspect with more to follow. There's no reason for the citizen taxpayers to be both the victims of his behaviour, and the responsible parties to his financial liability.

Ya he probably could have been salvaged. (it trust him a bit more with a body cam, an not in charge of his peers) But it was prolly the smartest thing to do to quit. At least it instantly lets people know that he does have SOME sort of empathy for the average citizen. Hell he could even be a spokesman and come back to the job after a year off. Release a youtube video saying "Yaaa i was kinda a douchebag, but i love my job and want it back. Im sorrrrrrrry. All you other asshole cops out there just learn from my mistakes you douchebags" Or some sorta equivalent. Its better than the usual "Im a cop and am more important than you" excuse.
 
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Seeing as we always bring up ALLLL the prior stuff that criminal/victims(both) had done in their life when it has nothing to do with why they were being victimized. I guess this dude is accused of molesting detainees in his guard and shining flashlights in their anus, in public.

Eric Casebolt, Pool Party Cop, Was Sued for Racial Bias | Heavy.com
 
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He didn't appear to be harassing the white kids who were at the pool party in the video...
 
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Ya he probably could have been salvaged. (it trust him a bit more with a body cam, an not in charge of his peers) But it was prolly the smartest thing to do to quit. At least it instantly lets people know that he does have SOME sort of empathy for the average citizen. Hell he could even be a spokesman and come back to the job after a year off. Release a youtube video saying "Yaaa i was kinda a douchebag, but i love my job and want it back. Im sorrrrrrrry. All you other asshole cops out there just learn from my mistakes you douchebags" Or some sorta equivalent. Its better than the usual "Im a cop and am more important than you" excuse.
You know, that's a pretty interesting take on coming back - I like it!

We do agree that his actions that day didn't really warrant separation on their own. (though I wonder if there's more in his record, of which we're not aware)

CNN stated he just passed 10 years on the department & had just become eligible for vested pension & retirement, so resigning saves that for hisself, plus it stops any disciplinary process which could have besmirched his ability to be hired by another department - getting fired would have been anathema to getting hired somewhere else in law-enforcement.

Now, he's simply an officer who resigned on good terms, and gets to keep his retirement, his Texas peace-officer status, and is fully eligible for rehire somewhere else. Whether he can find a place far enough & long enough away to avoid his personal politics, remains to be seen.

Also, the investigation stops, saving the department a long detailed public inspection to their inner-workings.

And lastly, the Chief looks good politically, having been able to denounce the officer's behaviour and be severed from him.

So a fast resignation seems to work well for everyone involved.
 
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Some folks will just never understand that.
And now with the Chief coming out playing politics and CYA saying what he has, they will think they are correct.

Have you considered the possibility that the Chief of Police might have a bit more information about the events at hand than you? For one, he has access to most of the witnesses of the event, especially the fellow officers AND has access to the officer in questions personnel record (he knows the guy). Perhaps the Chief of Police is doing HIS job? Just a thought for you to perhaps ponder for a moment between your many less informed tirades....

Sorry pal, I really hate to burst your bubble, but there are some bad apples in the police force. Some of these guys are violent by nature (domestic abuse is 2 to 4 times higher amongst families than the general populace http://www.purpleberets.org/violence_police_families.html) and others get off on the authority they have. Smart phones are showing us all what many have been telling us for years. This should not tarnish the fine, dedicated work that 99.x% do every day, but with nearly 1,200,000 cops in the US.... .x% is still 5-10,000 bad cops...

You really should learn to pick your battles. Some (but probably not all) of the things we have discussed on these boards are bad cops doing bad things where the cop was in the wrong and should be fired or prosecuted. Defending every single outrageous behavior by cops is going to tarnish your credibility because you are not right on all of them.
 
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Apparently you do not understand he is playing politics and CYA.
Hopefully the residents have him fired.

I'm not at all happy with the way the Chief handled the press conference. He pretty much threw his cop under the bus and dressed him down in a VERY public manner. While I do believe that the cop was overreacting to the situation that's not the way you, as the HMFIC, publicly addresses the matter. He tossed a big chunk of meat at the local jackals. His words are going to be interpreted as "the kids were right and the cop was wrong" and that's likely going to lead to kids trying to see how far they can push things and still be "right". Meanwhile, he's also likely going to have every one of his cops wondering if their next contact is going to end up with them being the center of a press conference. I guarantee that every cop in the McKinney PD is looking at their uniform right now and envisioning tire treads across the chest.
 
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You know, that's a pretty interesting take on coming back - I like it!

We do agree that his actions that day didn't really warrant separation on their own. (though I wonder if there's more in his record, of which we're not aware)

CNN stated he just passed 10 years on the department & had just become eligible for vested pension & retirement, so resigning saves that for hisself, plus it stops any disciplinary process which could have besmirched his ability to be hired by another department - getting fired would have been anathema to getting hired somewhere else in law-enforcement.

Now, he's simply an officer who resigned on good terms, and gets to keep his retirement, his Texas peace-officer status, and is fully eligible for rehire somewhere else. Whether he can find a place far enough & long enough away to avoid his personal politics, remains to be seen.

Also, the investigation stops, saving the department a long detailed public inspection to their inner-workings.

And lastly, the Chief looks good politically, having been able to denounce the officer's behaviour and be severed from him.

So a fast resignation seems to work well for everyone involved.

All it takes is 10 years on the job to get a taxpayer funded pension? Maybe this was his blaze of glory! That would explain him showing off with that unnecessary combat roll!
 
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Seeing as we always bring up ALLLL the prior stuff that criminal/victims(both) had done in their life when it has nothing to do with why they were being victimized. I guess this dude is accused of molesting detainees in his guard and shining flashlights in their anus, in public.

Eric Casebolt, Pool Party Cop, Was Sued for Racial Bias | Heavy.com

Have you considered the possibility that the Chief of Police might have a bit more information about the events at hand than you? For one, he has access to most of the witnesses of the event, especially the fellow officers AND has access to the officer in questions personnel record (he knows the guy). Perhaps the Chief of Police is doing HIS job? Just a thought for you to perhaps ponder for a moment between your many less informed tirades....
Now this is starting to make more sense.

This guy may have been a loose-canon, and the Chief may have finally had enough.

I don't think we can assume his fellow officers believe the Chief is 'throwing him under the bus'. If you notice, there were reportedly a dozen coppers there, and they all stayed calm and distanced themselves from the goofy cop, until he drew his weapon where they then rushed-in & backed him off. His fellow officers may have had input in the decision to cut him loose, and may indeed be relieved he's gone!

Either-way, I suspect the taxpayers are extremely appreciative of their ties being severed with him.
 
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Should the police be required to carry personal liability/malpractice insurance?

Why should judgments against rogue cops be passed on to the taxpayers? Doctors have to have malpractice insurance. Why not the police? Or do they?
 
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All it takes is 10 years on the job to get a taxpayer funded pension? Maybe this was his blaze of glory! That would explain him showing off with that unnecessary combat roll!
In my city, you become initially vested at 10 years for 50% salary, and are fully vested at 20 years for 80% salary (+3% for every year past 10, until 20).

Pension is based off the highest 4 consecutive year's earnings.

You can start collecting at 55.

You can leave anytime before 55, and your vestment remains, but you cannot collect until 55.

Pension continues for life, and increases 3% annually (cost-of-living).

This is a good deal if you get-in early in life, say at 22 where you then are vested fully at 42, and can leave for another department where you work another 13 years until 55, retiring with both vested pensions.

Public service (particularly in large heavily unionized cities) can be a sweet life, especially in one's retirement years.
 
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I'm not at all happy with the way the Chief handled the press conference. He pretty much threw his cop under the bus and dressed him down in a VERY public manner.

I loved it! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Looks like this cop just got demoted to the street. Good riddance!
 
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I loved it! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Looks like this cop just got demoted to the street. Good riddance!

He's already resigned and the Chief is playing CYA. I can only hope that someday every cop in your area does the same, providing you with the opportunity to live with the world you wish from your armchair.
 
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He's already resigned and the Chief is playing CYA. I can only hope that someday every cop in your area does the same, providing you with the opportunity to live with the world you wish from your armchair.

Sounds good to me. I live peaceable and can take care of myself. I would rather deal with a criminal than a cop. If you show strength and awareness a criminal is likely to leave you alone. Show these traits around a cop and you might end up shot, especially if you are a minority.
 
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I loved it! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Looks like this cop just got demoted to the street. Good riddance!

My understanding is that lots and lots of people loved it. I've also heard more than a handful calling for further action to be taken against Casebolt including "charges" (though I'm not really sure what he should be charged with).

My concern is that the Chief's handling of this will have a chilling effect on the work his officers are tasked with. If they come to believe that their chain of command doesn't have their back and will cave in to public criticism at the drop of a hat then they will naturally begin to avoid situations where their actions might come under scrutiny. If, for example, they try to stop some creepy guy who is just hanging around a playground for a field interview and the guy takes off they may just let him go because "he really hasn't done anything" and the cell phones were out filming. If, later that afternoon, a 3 year old goes missing from the playground that's just kind of the way things go. They might have been able to at least question the guy if they had his name and address but since there would have been public outrage for stopping him "for no reason" they'll just have to go on to a plan B...as long as it doesn't involve upsetting the sensitivities of the locals.

I've seen people discussing these cop interactions like police work is something a monkey could do effectively. It isn't. It's a constant process of evaluating situations, evidence and behaviors to figure out whether it means anything or not and there is always the risk that if one of those evaluations is wrong the cop or someone else could end up injured or dead. The cavalier attitude that so many people display regarding police work is disturbing and the main reason it's so disturbing is that there is rarely any real thought that goes into WHY that attitude is so prevalent. It strikes me that people are simply sitting there saying "Well, that cop makes me feel bad/angry/afraid/whatever and he should be punished". Well, we don't get to punish people because we "feel" like they should be punished. That's anarchy and results in a self destructive society.
 
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He's already resigned and the Chief is playing CYA. I can only hope that someday every cop in your area does the same, providing you with the opportunity to live with the world you wish from your armchair.
While not directed at me, I personally would welcome that for any officer that feels as such - if they don't want to do their job, let them resign and open-up their slot for someone that does.

In my city the police are reasonable well-paid with good benefits & pensions - consequently, there's a huge waiting list to get in. I would welcome the early resignation of those officers that don't feel the obligation to perform their duties to the highest standards.

I suspect their hard-working fellow officers feel the same!
 
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I don't buy the BS that we have to allow cops to mistreat people or they won't be able to do their job. Most cops do their job in a professional manor. Those that can't need to go, period. I don't give a **** how stressful or dangerous their job is, they applied for it. Again, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
 
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My understanding is that lots and lots of people loved it. I've also heard more than a handful calling for further action to be taken against Casebolt including "charges" (though I'm not really sure what he should be charged with).

My concern is that the Chief's handling of this will have a chilling effect on the work his officers are tasked with. If they come to believe that their chain of command doesn't have their back and will cave in to public criticism at the drop of a hat then they will naturally begin to avoid situations where their actions might come under scrutiny. If, for example, they try to stop some creepy guy who is just hanging around a playground for a field interview and the guy takes off they may just let him go because "he really hasn't done anything" and the cell phones were out filming. If, later that afternoon, a 3 year old goes missing from the playground that's just kind of the way things go. They might have been able to at least question the guy if they had his name and address but since there would have been public outrage for stopping him "for no reason" they'll just have to go on to a plan B...as long as it doesn't involve upsetting the sensitivities of the locals.

I've seen people discussing these cop interactions like police work is something a monkey could do effectively. It isn't. It's a constant process of evaluating situations, evidence and behaviors to figure out whether it means anything or not and there is always the risk that if one of those evaluations is wrong the cop or someone else could end up injured or dead. The cavalier attitude that so many people display regarding police work is disturbing and the main reason it's so disturbing is that there is rarely any real thought that goes into WHY that attitude is so prevalent. It strikes me that people are simply sitting there saying "Well, that cop makes me feel bad/angry/afraid/whatever and he should be punished". Well, we don't get to punish people because we "feel" like they should be punished. That's anarchy and results in a self destructive society.

I'd be willing to bet that the other officers in that unit know each other well enough to say to each other... "Well I saw this coming to that asshat."
 
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I'd be willing to bet that the other officers in that unit know each other well enough to say to each other... "Well I saw this coming to that asshat."

Maybe. I've worked with a few "gung-ho" types too and occasionally they make the job more difficult than it needs to be. I've also worked with a few folks who reacted fine to 99% of the situations we encountered and didn't do so well in the other 1%. Those folks just need a little training but if they end up on a YouTube for that incident y'all are ready to string 'em up. There is simply a trend toward unreasonable and unthinking outrage toward cops no matter what the actual circumstances are. Hell, we had at least one user on this site suggesting mob justice against cops while they were performing their duties!
 
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Sounds good to me. I live peaceable and can take care of myself. I would rather deal with a criminal than a cop. If you show strength and awareness a criminal is likely to leave you alone. Show these traits around a cop and you might end up shot, especially if you are a minority.

Oh yes, I'm sure you tell yourself that. Believing it so you don't have to recognize the weakness of your views is not the same as living the reality.
 
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