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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    All it takes is 10 years on the job to get a taxpayer funded pension? Maybe this was his blaze of glory! That would explain him showing off with that unnecessary combat roll!
    In my city, you become initially vested at 10 years for 50% salary, and are fully vested at 20 years for 80% salary (+3% for every year past 10, until 20).

    Pension is based off the highest 4 consecutive year's earnings.

    You can start collecting at 55.

    You can leave anytime before 55, and your vestment remains, but you cannot collect until 55.

    Pension continues for life, and increases 3% annually (cost-of-living).

    This is a good deal if you get-in early in life, say at 22 where you then are vested fully at 42, and can leave for another department where you work another 13 years until 55, retiring with both vested pensions.

    Public service (particularly in large heavily unionized cities) can be a sweet life, especially in one's retirement years.
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm not at all happy with the way the Chief handled the press conference. He pretty much threw his cop under the bus and dressed him down in a VERY public manner.
    I loved it! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Looks like this cop just got demoted to the street. Good riddance!

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I loved it! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Looks like this cop just got demoted to the street. Good riddance!
    He's already resigned and the Chief is playing CYA. I can only hope that someday every cop in your area does the same, providing you with the opportunity to live with the world you wish from your armchair.

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    He's already resigned and the Chief is playing CYA. I can only hope that someday every cop in your area does the same, providing you with the opportunity to live with the world you wish from your armchair.
    Sounds good to me. I live peaceable and can take care of myself. I would rather deal with a criminal than a cop. If you show strength and awareness a criminal is likely to leave you alone. Show these traits around a cop and you might end up shot, especially if you are a minority.

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I loved it! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Looks like this cop just got demoted to the street. Good riddance!
    My understanding is that lots and lots of people loved it. I've also heard more than a handful calling for further action to be taken against Casebolt including "charges" (though I'm not really sure what he should be charged with).

    My concern is that the Chief's handling of this will have a chilling effect on the work his officers are tasked with. If they come to believe that their chain of command doesn't have their back and will cave in to public criticism at the drop of a hat then they will naturally begin to avoid situations where their actions might come under scrutiny. If, for example, they try to stop some creepy guy who is just hanging around a playground for a field interview and the guy takes off they may just let him go because "he really hasn't done anything" and the cell phones were out filming. If, later that afternoon, a 3 year old goes missing from the playground that's just kind of the way things go. They might have been able to at least question the guy if they had his name and address but since there would have been public outrage for stopping him "for no reason" they'll just have to go on to a plan B...as long as it doesn't involve upsetting the sensitivities of the locals.

    I've seen people discussing these cop interactions like police work is something a monkey could do effectively. It isn't. It's a constant process of evaluating situations, evidence and behaviors to figure out whether it means anything or not and there is always the risk that if one of those evaluations is wrong the cop or someone else could end up injured or dead. The cavalier attitude that so many people display regarding police work is disturbing and the main reason it's so disturbing is that there is rarely any real thought that goes into WHY that attitude is so prevalent. It strikes me that people are simply sitting there saying "Well, that cop makes me feel bad/angry/afraid/whatever and he should be punished". Well, we don't get to punish people because we "feel" like they should be punished. That's anarchy and results in a self destructive society.

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    He's already resigned and the Chief is playing CYA. I can only hope that someday every cop in your area does the same, providing you with the opportunity to live with the world you wish from your armchair.
    While not directed at me, I personally would welcome that for any officer that feels as such - if they don't want to do their job, let them resign and open-up their slot for someone that does.

    In my city the police are reasonable well-paid with good benefits & pensions - consequently, there's a huge waiting list to get in. I would welcome the early resignation of those officers that don't feel the obligation to perform their duties to the highest standards.

    I suspect their hard-working fellow officers feel the same!
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    I don't buy the BS that we have to allow cops to mistreat people or they won't be able to do their job. Most cops do their job in a professional manor. Those that can't need to go, period. I don't give a **** how stressful or dangerous their job is, they applied for it. Again, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    My understanding is that lots and lots of people loved it. I've also heard more than a handful calling for further action to be taken against Casebolt including "charges" (though I'm not really sure what he should be charged with).

    My concern is that the Chief's handling of this will have a chilling effect on the work his officers are tasked with. If they come to believe that their chain of command doesn't have their back and will cave in to public criticism at the drop of a hat then they will naturally begin to avoid situations where their actions might come under scrutiny. If, for example, they try to stop some creepy guy who is just hanging around a playground for a field interview and the guy takes off they may just let him go because "he really hasn't done anything" and the cell phones were out filming. If, later that afternoon, a 3 year old goes missing from the playground that's just kind of the way things go. They might have been able to at least question the guy if they had his name and address but since there would have been public outrage for stopping him "for no reason" they'll just have to go on to a plan B...as long as it doesn't involve upsetting the sensitivities of the locals.

    I've seen people discussing these cop interactions like police work is something a monkey could do effectively. It isn't. It's a constant process of evaluating situations, evidence and behaviors to figure out whether it means anything or not and there is always the risk that if one of those evaluations is wrong the cop or someone else could end up injured or dead. The cavalier attitude that so many people display regarding police work is disturbing and the main reason it's so disturbing is that there is rarely any real thought that goes into WHY that attitude is so prevalent. It strikes me that people are simply sitting there saying "Well, that cop makes me feel bad/angry/afraid/whatever and he should be punished". Well, we don't get to punish people because we "feel" like they should be punished. That's anarchy and results in a self destructive society.
    I'd be willing to bet that the other officers in that unit know each other well enough to say to each other... "Well I saw this coming to that asshat."
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that the other officers in that unit know each other well enough to say to each other... "Well I saw this coming to that asshat."
    Maybe. I've worked with a few "gung-ho" types too and occasionally they make the job more difficult than it needs to be. I've also worked with a few folks who reacted fine to 99% of the situations we encountered and didn't do so well in the other 1%. Those folks just need a little training but if they end up on a YouTube for that incident y'all are ready to string 'em up. There is simply a trend toward unreasonable and unthinking outrage toward cops no matter what the actual circumstances are. Hell, we had at least one user on this site suggesting mob justice against cops while they were performing their duties!

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Sounds good to me. I live peaceable and can take care of myself. I would rather deal with a criminal than a cop. If you show strength and awareness a criminal is likely to leave you alone. Show these traits around a cop and you might end up shot, especially if you are a minority.
    Oh yes, I'm sure you tell yourself that. Believing it so you don't have to recognize the weakness of your views is not the same as living the reality.

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