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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Apparently you do not understand he is playing politics and CYA. Hopefully the residents have him fired.
    Apparently, you don't realize this officer was out of control and broke policy & procedure, which is why he is out of a job - the Chief is still there, and if I was a local citizen he'd have my support!

    But the important thing is: another out-of-control cop is off the streets, and public is safer for it.

    I personally think the officer may have been redeemable after some discipline and receiving re-training. But it's risky, and I don't blame the department for playing it safe - he showed a propensity to escalate to preparation for deadly force, unwarranted & in a flash.

    Guys like him (if uncorrected) cost their departments (and ultimately the citizen taxpayers) tons of money & time in lawsuits, while costing their departments huge losses of goodwill, to say nothing of the injuries caused the good citizens.

    Already several civil suits have been brought forth, I suspect with more to follow. There's no reason for the citizen taxpayers to be both the victims of his behaviour, and the responsible parties to his financial liability.
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Apparently, you don't realize this officer was out of control and broke policy & procedure, which is why he is out of a job - the Chief is still there, and if I was a local citizen he'd have my support!

    But the important thing is: another out-of-control cop is off the streets, and public is safer for it.

    I personally think the officer may have been redeemable after some discipline and receiving re-training. But it's risky, and I don't blame the department for playing it safe - he showed a propensity to escalate to preparation for deadly force, unwarranted & in a flash.

    Guys like him (if uncorrected) cost their departments (and ultimately the citizen taxpayers) tons of money & time in lawsuits, while costing their departments huge losses of goodwill, to say nothing of the injuries caused the good citizens.

    Already several civil suits have been brought forth, I suspect with more to follow. There's no reason for the citizen taxpayers to be both the victims of his behaviour, and the responsible parties to his financial liability.
    Ya he probably could have been salvaged. (it trust him a bit more with a body cam, an not in charge of his peers) But it was prolly the smartest thing to do to quit. At least it instantly lets people know that he does have SOME sort of empathy for the average citizen. Hell he could even be a spokesman and come back to the job after a year off. Release a youtube video saying "Yaaa i was kinda a douchebag, but i love my job and want it back. Im sorrrrrrrry. All you other asshole cops out there just learn from my mistakes you douchebags" Or some sorta equivalent. Its better than the usual "Im a cop and am more important than you" excuse.
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Seeing as we always bring up ALLLL the prior stuff that criminal/victims(both) had done in their life when it has nothing to do with why they were being victimized. I guess this dude is accused of molesting detainees in his guard and shining flashlights in their anus, in public.

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    He didn't appear to be harassing the white kids who were at the pool party in the video...
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Ya he probably could have been salvaged. (it trust him a bit more with a body cam, an not in charge of his peers) But it was prolly the smartest thing to do to quit. At least it instantly lets people know that he does have SOME sort of empathy for the average citizen. Hell he could even be a spokesman and come back to the job after a year off. Release a youtube video saying "Yaaa i was kinda a douchebag, but i love my job and want it back. Im sorrrrrrrry. All you other asshole cops out there just learn from my mistakes you douchebags" Or some sorta equivalent. Its better than the usual "Im a cop and am more important than you" excuse.
    You know, that's a pretty interesting take on coming back - I like it!

    We do agree that his actions that day didn't really warrant separation on their own. (though I wonder if there's more in his record, of which we're not aware)

    CNN stated he just passed 10 years on the department & had just become eligible for vested pension & retirement, so resigning saves that for hisself, plus it stops any disciplinary process which could have besmirched his ability to be hired by another department - getting fired would have been anathema to getting hired somewhere else in law-enforcement.

    Now, he's simply an officer who resigned on good terms, and gets to keep his retirement, his Texas peace-officer status, and is fully eligible for rehire somewhere else. Whether he can find a place far enough & long enough away to avoid his personal politics, remains to be seen.

    Also, the investigation stops, saving the department a long detailed public inspection to their inner-workings.

    And lastly, the Chief looks good politically, having been able to denounce the officer's behaviour and be severed from him.

    So a fast resignation seems to work well for everyone involved.
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Some folks will just never understand that.
    And now with the Chief coming out playing politics and CYA saying what he has, they will think they are correct.
    Have you considered the possibility that the Chief of Police might have a bit more information about the events at hand than you? For one, he has access to most of the witnesses of the event, especially the fellow officers AND has access to the officer in questions personnel record (he knows the guy). Perhaps the Chief of Police is doing HIS job? Just a thought for you to perhaps ponder for a moment between your many less informed tirades....

    Sorry pal, I really hate to burst your bubble, but there are some bad apples in the police force. Some of these guys are violent by nature (domestic abuse is 2 to 4 times higher amongst families than the general populace http://www.purpleberets.org/violence..._families.html) and others get off on the authority they have. Smart phones are showing us all what many have been telling us for years. This should not tarnish the fine, dedicated work that 99.x% do every day, but with nearly 1,200,000 cops in the US.... .x% is still 5-10,000 bad cops...

    You really should learn to pick your battles. Some (but probably not all) of the things we have discussed on these boards are bad cops doing bad things where the cop was in the wrong and should be fired or prosecuted. Defending every single outrageous behavior by cops is going to tarnish your credibility because you are not right on all of them.
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Apparently you do not understand he is playing politics and CYA.
    Hopefully the residents have him fired.
    I'm not at all happy with the way the Chief handled the press conference. He pretty much threw his cop under the bus and dressed him down in a VERY public manner. While I do believe that the cop was overreacting to the situation that's not the way you, as the HMFIC, publicly addresses the matter. He tossed a big chunk of meat at the local jackals. His words are going to be interpreted as "the kids were right and the cop was wrong" and that's likely going to lead to kids trying to see how far they can push things and still be "right". Meanwhile, he's also likely going to have every one of his cops wondering if their next contact is going to end up with them being the center of a press conference. I guarantee that every cop in the McKinney PD is looking at their uniform right now and envisioning tire treads across the chest.

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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    You know, that's a pretty interesting take on coming back - I like it!

    We do agree that his actions that day didn't really warrant separation on their own. (though I wonder if there's more in his record, of which we're not aware)

    CNN stated he just passed 10 years on the department & had just become eligible for vested pension & retirement, so resigning saves that for hisself, plus it stops any disciplinary process which could have besmirched his ability to be hired by another department - getting fired would have been anathema to getting hired somewhere else in law-enforcement.

    Now, he's simply an officer who resigned on good terms, and gets to keep his retirement, his Texas peace-officer status, and is fully eligible for rehire somewhere else. Whether he can find a place far enough & long enough away to avoid his personal politics, remains to be seen.

    Also, the investigation stops, saving the department a long detailed public inspection to their inner-workings.

    And lastly, the Chief looks good politically, having been able to denounce the officer's behaviour and be severed from him.

    So a fast resignation seems to work well for everyone involved.
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Seeing as we always bring up ALLLL the prior stuff that criminal/victims(both) had done in their life when it has nothing to do with why they were being victimized. I guess this dude is accused of molesting detainees in his guard and shining flashlights in their anus, in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Have you considered the possibility that the Chief of Police might have a bit more information about the events at hand than you? For one, he has access to most of the witnesses of the event, especially the fellow officers AND has access to the officer in questions personnel record (he knows the guy). Perhaps the Chief of Police is doing HIS job? Just a thought for you to perhaps ponder for a moment between your many less informed tirades....
    Now this is starting to make more sense.

    This guy may have been a loose-canon, and the Chief may have finally had enough.

    I don't think we can assume his fellow officers believe the Chief is 'throwing him under the bus'. If you notice, there were reportedly a dozen coppers there, and they all stayed calm and distanced themselves from the goofy cop, until he drew his weapon where they then rushed-in & backed him off. His fellow officers may have had input in the decision to cut him loose, and may indeed be relieved he's gone!

    Either-way, I suspect the taxpayers are extremely appreciative of their ties being severed with him.
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    Re: Cop Suspended After Arrests At Teen Pool Party

    Should the police be required to carry personal liability/malpractice insurance?

    Why should judgments against rogue cops be passed on to the taxpayers? Doctors have to have malpractice insurance. Why not the police? Or do they?

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