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Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

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The Little Dictator has been crushed.
Thoughts are?
Mine, He is a freaking wingnut and a clear danger to Democracy in Turkey which he significantly degraded during his terms..

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/w...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

The election results represented a significant setback to Mr. Erdogan, an Islamist who has steadily increased his power as president, a partly but not solely ceremonial post. After more than a decade as prime minister, Mr. Erdogan has pushed for more control of the judiciary and cracked down on any form of criticism, including prosecutions of those who insult him on social media, but his efforts appeared to have run aground on Sunday.

The election was also a significant victory to the cadre of Kurds, liberals and secular Turks who found their voice of opposition to Mr. Erdogan during sweeping antigovernment protests two years ago.
 
The Little Dictator has been crushed.
Thoughts are?
Mine, He is a freaking wingnut and a clear danger to Democracy in Turkey which he significantly degraded during his terms..

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/w...st-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


This is good news, indeed. Erdogan's powers diminished and The Kurds get to play Kingmaker. Its almost like Poetic Justice. From your link JF ;)




The diminished power of Mr. Erdogan’s party is likely to rein in Turkey’s ambitions to shape events in the Middle East, an activist policy that has been controversial among political opponents and the public.

“Turkey’s foreign policy will be less driven by the A.K.P.’s ambitions, which is basically driven by a foreign policy vision to make Turkey a regional player at any cost,” Mr. Cagaptay said, suggesting it had supported various Syrian factions opposing the Assad government and sometimes turned a blind eye to fighters crossing into Syria to join the Islamic State.

He added: “The outcome of the election will take Turkey’s anti-Assad policy down a notch. The government will not be able to drive its agenda singlehandedly anymore.”.....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/w...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
 
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This is good news, indeed. Erdogan's powers diminished and The Kurds get to play Kingmaker. Its almost like Poetic Justice. From your link JF ;)




The diminished power of Mr. Erdogan’s party is likely to rein in Turkey’s ambitions to shape events in the Middle East, an activist policy that has been controversial among political opponents and the public.

“Turkey’s foreign policy will be less driven by the A.K.P.’s ambitions, which is basically driven by a foreign policy vision to make Turkey a regional player at any cost,” Mr. Cagaptay said, suggesting it had supported various Syrian factions opposing the Assad government and sometimes turned a blind eye to fighters crossing into Syria to join the Islamic State.

He added: “The outcome of the election will take Turkey’s anti-Assad policy down a notch. The government will not be able to drive its agenda singlehandedly anymore.”.....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/w...st-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
It is good news. Wonder what would turn up if they ever investigated him and his 600 M palace.
 
It is good news. Wonder what would turn up if they ever investigated him and his 600 M palace.

More than likely how much he is connected to the MB not only in Egypt. But the Syrian MB that Assad's Father ran out of Syria who returned and began the protests against Assad.
 
More than likely how much he is connected to the MB not only in Egypt. But the Syrian MB that Assad's Father ran out of Syria who returned and began the protests against Assad.
Oh he is well connected to the MB.
Ensuring funding was provided.
You are right on the money there.
 
:applaud:applaud:applaud You reap what you sow.
 
Good for Turkey and good for the Kurds, who have been abused so often.

Turkey

ISTANBUL — Turkish voters delivered a dramatic blow to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his ruling Justice Development Party on Sunday, with results showing it losing its majority in parliament.

And, in a historic first, a party dominated by ethnic Kurds surged into the Grand National Assembly in Ankara, marking a new moment in the evolution of Turkey’s democracy as well as a direct challenge to Erdogan’s own ambitions to consolidate power as president.

“This is a nuclear explosion in Turkish politics,” said Bulent Aliriza, an expert in Turkey at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. . . .
 
More than likely how much he is connected to the MB not only in Egypt. But the Syrian MB that Assad's Father ran out of Syria who returned and began the protests against Assad.

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:

Wasn't it the brave Kurds who figured out a way to rescue the Yazidi men, women and children who were trapped on the mountain by ISIS, without sufficient food and water, while the rest of the world was still talking about what to do? Kudos to them! :applaud:

Erdogan needed to be replaced!
 
I agree this is good news.
 
A racist scumbag will ruin everything,he did exactly the same thing in 2002 and AKP started to rule.

Leader of the Nationalist Party refuses to form a coalition goverment with other opposition parties because one of these parties are pro-Kurdish and the other one doesn't hate Kurds.They would rather let this country fall apart than sit next to a Kurd in the parliament and they call themselves nationalist.They don't want Kurdish issue to be solved because their only policy is being anti-Kurdish,it's the only purpose of their existence.Also they don't refuse to form a coalition with AKP if they declare war on Kurds again.
 
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Good for Turkey and good for the Kurds, who have been abused so often.

Turkey

ISTANBUL — Turkish voters delivered a dramatic blow to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his ruling Justice Development Party on Sunday, with results showing it losing its majority in parliament.

And, in a historic first, a party dominated by ethnic Kurds surged into the Grand National Assembly in Ankara, marking a new moment in the evolution of Turkey’s democracy as well as a direct challenge to Erdogan’s own ambitions to consolidate power as president.

“This is a nuclear explosion in Turkish politics,” said Bulent Aliriza, an expert in Turkey at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. . . .

under the name of HDP ,yes it is the first time.but many of you need to learn much about turkey
 
Greetings, MMC. :2wave:

Wasn't it the brave Kurds who figured out a way to rescue the Yazidi men, women and children who were trapped on the mountain by ISIS, without sufficient food and water, while the rest of the world was still talking about what to do? Kudos to them! :applaud:

Erdogan needed to be replaced!


Mornin Lady P.
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Erdogan still hasn't been removed from Office. But now he will be limited with what he can do. Hopefully this will also show when he thinks about Opening his big mouth.

Now that all know he allows ISIS to operate inside his country. What do you think should happen to Erdogan?

Firing Squad? Hanging? Beheading? Or Life in Prison, with no door to even leave the cement surrounding him?
 
Mornin Lady P.
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Erdogan still hasn't been removed from Office. But now he will be limited with what he can do. Hopefully this will also show when he thinks about Opening his big mouth.

Now that all know he allows ISIS to operate inside his country. What do you think should happen to Erdogan?

Firing Squad? Hanging? Beheading? Or Life in Prison, with no door to even leave the cement surrounding him?

Whatever the people decide to do with him is fine by me! Enabling ISIS is wrong, and he learned that the hard way. I feel sorry for the people who are suffering, but it's up to them to change things, which appears to be happening in some of the countries over there. We should not interfere by taking sides, which has made us a target! We've got enough problems of our own to handle right here!
 
Mornin Lady P.
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Erdogan still hasn't been removed from Office. But now he will be limited with what he can do. Hopefully this will also show when he thinks about Opening his big mouth.

Now that all know he allows ISIS to operate inside his country. What do you think should happen to Erdogan?

Firing Squad? Hanging? Beheading? Or Life in Prison, with no door to even leave the cement surrounding him?

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Is it known? The Turkish army has been unable to control the South East for 30 years, I fail to see how ISIS crossing the border every now and again is evidence of aquiesance on an executive level. Remember this is a group who even Al Qaeda thinks is taking things a bit far.

As for Erdogans role from hereon in thats somewhat unclear, consitutionally the president isn't supposed to do very much (As in Israel or the Republic of Ireland) and its the priminister who is supposed to have the most power. However when Erdogan had served too many terms as priminister he tried to 'pull a Putin' and move power over to the presidency after switching roles. Now that Davutoğlu (his puppet primeminster) has lost his majorty we could see a major deadlock. The HDP (not so much a 'Kurdish party' as a coalition of Kurdish and Leftist groups) is unlikely to work closely with the CHP (Ataturk's party) given its ulta-nationalist bent. Its only recently that Kurdish names were legalized and this came as a result of the AKP not the CHP, bear in mind that the AKP is by far the more pro-Kurdish of the two parties and gets a disproportionaly high number of votes from the South East. Though it has to be said that the CHP is moving in a more liberal direction and this seems to be working electorally speaking.

Even if they could work together and get a new primeminster I don't see Erdogan stepping back and fufilling a politically neutral role (as he is consitutionally mandated to do). Its more likely that he will throw his toys out of the pram and block everything the parliament does.

As regards Tukey's involvement in Syria the leader of the CHP called for an iraqi style no fly zone around the border way back in 2011, and the HDP has a pretty strong bias in the conflict for obvious reasons. The only way i can see Turkey's involvement being hampered is by gerneral state of paralysis rather than paraliamentary opposition per say.
 
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Is it known? The Turkish army has been unable to control the South East for 30 years, I fail to see how ISIS crossing the border every now and again is evidence of aquiesance on an executive level. Remember this is a group who even Al Qaeda thinks is taking things a bit far.

As for Erdogans role from hereon in thats somewhat unclear, consitutionally the president isn't supposed to do very much (As in Israel or the Republic of Ireland) and its the priminister who is supposed to have the most power. However when Erdogan had served too many terms as priminister he tried to 'pull a Putin' and move power over to the presidency after switching roles. Now that Davutoğlu (his puppet primeminster) has lost his majorty we could see a major deadlock. The HDP (not so much a 'Kurdish party' as a coalition of Kurdish and Leftist groups) is unlikely to work closely with the CHP (Ataturk's party) given its ulta-nationalist bent. Its only recently that Kurdish names were legalized and this came as a result of the AKP not the CHP, bear in mind that the AKP is by far the more pro-Kurdish of the two parties and gets a disproportionaly high number of votes from the South East. Though it has to be said that the CHP is moving in a more liberal direction and this seems to be working electorally speaking.

Even if they could work together and get a new primeminster I don't see Erdogan stepping back and fufilling a politically neutral role (as he is consitutionally mandated to do). Its more likely that he will throw his toys out of the pram and block everything the parliament does.

As regards Tukey's involvement in Syria the leader of the CHP called for an iraqi style no fly zone around the border way back in 2011, and the HDP has a pretty strong bias in the conflict for obvious reasons. The only way i can see Turkey's involvement being hampered is by gerneral state of paralysis rather than paraliamentary opposition per say.

Is it known that Erdogan supports the MB. Pretty much.

ISIS is running merchandise thru smugglers routes going thru Turkey.
 
Is it known that Erdogan supports the MB. Pretty much.

ISIS is running merchandise thru smugglers routes going thru Turkey.

By that logic Obama is coloborating with Mexican cartels, you should really do something about that. And again the PKK has been crossing the border since its inception, has the Turkish military been supporting them for 30 years?
 
By that logic Obama is coloborating with Mexican cartels, you should really do something about that. And again the PKK has been crossing the border since its inception, has the Turkish military been supporting them for 30 years?



Well BO peep did say degrade and destroy. Like Erdogan, said he would do their part to stop ISIS moving their Oil thru Turkey..

Oh, and Erdogan already professes to support the MB. Those in Qatar and Egypt too.





And while Turkey has been overwhelmed by an estimated 1.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees, it also has been accused of harboring -- or at least helping -- ISIS militants by letting them traffic fighters, weapons and lucrative oil shipments over its borders.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also told reporters on Tuesday, "Of course, we will do our part." He was not specific about what Turkey might contribute but said "it includes everything -- both military and political," according to Turkey's DHA news agency. Next month, Turkey's parliament is expected to consider a yearlong extension of a mandate allowing Turkish troops to go to Iraq and Syria. Only a small number of Turkish troops are currently in Syria, to protect a historical site that dates to the Ottoman Empire, although Turkish forces routinely patrol its borders with both Iraq and Syria.

Zarate said "miles-long truck convoys going in and out of Turkey with oil tankers" have been seen for years, "and so the question is, is Turkey willing to shut down... the economy that ISIL has used to survive." ISIS is also known by the alternate acronym, and now calls itself simply the "Islamic State."....snip~

Turkey ready to join ISIS fight? - CBS News

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Well BO peep did say degrade and destroy. Like Erdogan, said he would do their part to stop ISIS moving their Oil thru Turkey..

Oh, and Erdogan already professes to support the MB. Those in Qatar and Egypt too.





And while Turkey has been overwhelmed by an estimated 1.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees, it also has been accused of harboring -- or at least helping -- ISIS militants by letting them traffic fighters, weapons and lucrative oil shipments over its borders.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also told reporters on Tuesday, "Of course, we will do our part." He was not specific about what Turkey might contribute but said "it includes everything -- both military and political," according to Turkey's DHA news agency. Next month, Turkey's parliament is expected to consider a yearlong extension of a mandate allowing Turkish troops to go to Iraq and Syria. Only a small number of Turkish troops are currently in Syria, to protect a historical site that dates to the Ottoman Empire, although Turkish forces routinely patrol its borders with both Iraq and Syria.

Zarate said "miles-long truck convoys going in and out of Turkey with oil tankers" have been seen for years, "and so the question is, is Turkey willing to shut down... the economy that ISIL has used to survive." ISIS is also known by the alternate acronym, and now calls itself simply the "Islamic State."....snip~

Turkey ready to join ISIS fight? - CBS News

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The MB is hardly ISIS though is it? and again i would think someone living in the U.S would be able to grasp the concept of a porous border.
 
The MB is hardly ISIS though is it? and again i would think someone living in the U.S would be able to grasp the concept of a porous border.

If you mean they are not one in the same, sure. Which organization is larger and has more members? The MB or ISIS.

Oh, we know about porous borders. But then We weren't talking about being reluctant, refusing to be part of and then finally accepting the reality at hand, with Americans. Can Turkey say the same?
 
How many seats are the Kurds getting?
 
The MB is hardly ISIS though is it? and again i would think someone living in the U.S would be able to grasp the concept of a porous border.

And that Turkey until they get the US onto regime change in Syria will buy oil, treat wounded, sell products, and do little to interrupt ISIL.
 
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