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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    I agree this is good news.
    conservative americans are fond of democracy ,interesting
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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Good for Turkey and good for the Kurds, who have been abused so often.

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    ISTANBUL — Turkish voters delivered a dramatic blow to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his ruling Justice Development Party on Sunday, with results showing it losing its majority in parliament.

    And, in a historic first, a party dominated by ethnic Kurds surged into the Grand National Assembly in Ankara, marking a new moment in the evolution of Turkey’s democracy as well as a direct challenge to Erdogan’s own ambitions to consolidate power as president.

    “This is a nuclear explosion in Turkish politics,” said Bulent Aliriza, an expert in Turkey at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. . . .
    under the name of HDP ,yes it is the first time.but many of you need to learn much about turkey
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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.

    Wasn't it the brave Kurds who figured out a way to rescue the Yazidi men, women and children who were trapped on the mountain by ISIS, without sufficient food and water, while the rest of the world was still talking about what to do? Kudos to them! :

    Erdogan needed to be replaced!

    Mornin Lady P. Erdogan still hasn't been removed from Office. But now he will be limited with what he can do. Hopefully this will also show when he thinks about Opening his big mouth.

    Now that all know he allows ISIS to operate inside his country. What do you think should happen to Erdogan?

    Firing Squad? Hanging? Beheading? Or Life in Prison, with no door to even leave the cement surrounding him?

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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Lady P. Erdogan still hasn't been removed from Office. But now he will be limited with what he can do. Hopefully this will also show when he thinks about Opening his big mouth.

    Now that all know he allows ISIS to operate inside his country. What do you think should happen to Erdogan?

    Firing Squad? Hanging? Beheading? Or Life in Prison, with no door to even leave the cement surrounding him?
    Whatever the people decide to do with him is fine by me! Enabling ISIS is wrong, and he learned that the hard way. I feel sorry for the people who are suffering, but it's up to them to change things, which appears to be happening in some of the countries over there. We should not interfere by taking sides, which has made us a target! We've got enough problems of our own to handle right here!

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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Lady P. Erdogan still hasn't been removed from Office. But now he will be limited with what he can do. Hopefully this will also show when he thinks about Opening his big mouth.

    Now that all know he allows ISIS to operate inside his country. What do you think should happen to Erdogan?

    Firing Squad? Hanging? Beheading? Or Life in Prison, with no door to even leave the cement surrounding him?
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    Is it known? The Turkish army has been unable to control the South East for 30 years, I fail to see how ISIS crossing the border every now and again is evidence of aquiesance on an executive level. Remember this is a group who even Al Qaeda thinks is taking things a bit far.

    As for Erdogans role from hereon in thats somewhat unclear, consitutionally the president isn't supposed to do very much (As in Israel or the Republic of Ireland) and its the priminister who is supposed to have the most power. However when Erdogan had served too many terms as priminister he tried to 'pull a Putin' and move power over to the presidency after switching roles. Now that Davutoğlu (his puppet primeminster) has lost his majorty we could see a major deadlock. The HDP (not so much a 'Kurdish party' as a coalition of Kurdish and Leftist groups) is unlikely to work closely with the CHP (Ataturk's party) given its ulta-nationalist bent. Its only recently that Kurdish names were legalized and this came as a result of the AKP not the CHP, bear in mind that the AKP is by far the more pro-Kurdish of the two parties and gets a disproportionaly high number of votes from the South East. Though it has to be said that the CHP is moving in a more liberal direction and this seems to be working electorally speaking.

    Even if they could work together and get a new primeminster I don't see Erdogan stepping back and fufilling a politically neutral role (as he is consitutionally mandated to do). Its more likely that he will throw his toys out of the pram and block everything the parliament does.

    As regards Tukey's involvement in Syria the leader of the CHP called for an iraqi style no fly zone around the border way back in 2011, and the HDP has a pretty strong bias in the conflict for obvious reasons. The only way i can see Turkey's involvement being hampered is by gerneral state of paralysis rather than paraliamentary opposition per say.

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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
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    Is it known? The Turkish army has been unable to control the South East for 30 years, I fail to see how ISIS crossing the border every now and again is evidence of aquiesance on an executive level. Remember this is a group who even Al Qaeda thinks is taking things a bit far.

    As for Erdogans role from hereon in thats somewhat unclear, consitutionally the president isn't supposed to do very much (As in Israel or the Republic of Ireland) and its the priminister who is supposed to have the most power. However when Erdogan had served too many terms as priminister he tried to 'pull a Putin' and move power over to the presidency after switching roles. Now that Davutoğlu (his puppet primeminster) has lost his majorty we could see a major deadlock. The HDP (not so much a 'Kurdish party' as a coalition of Kurdish and Leftist groups) is unlikely to work closely with the CHP (Ataturk's party) given its ulta-nationalist bent. Its only recently that Kurdish names were legalized and this came as a result of the AKP not the CHP, bear in mind that the AKP is by far the more pro-Kurdish of the two parties and gets a disproportionaly high number of votes from the South East. Though it has to be said that the CHP is moving in a more liberal direction and this seems to be working electorally speaking.

    Even if they could work together and get a new primeminster I don't see Erdogan stepping back and fufilling a politically neutral role (as he is consitutionally mandated to do). Its more likely that he will throw his toys out of the pram and block everything the parliament does.

    As regards Tukey's involvement in Syria the leader of the CHP called for an iraqi style no fly zone around the border way back in 2011, and the HDP has a pretty strong bias in the conflict for obvious reasons. The only way i can see Turkey's involvement being hampered is by gerneral state of paralysis rather than paraliamentary opposition per say.
    Is it known that Erdogan supports the MB. Pretty much.

    ISIS is running merchandise thru smugglers routes going thru Turkey.

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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Is it known that Erdogan supports the MB. Pretty much.

    ISIS is running merchandise thru smugglers routes going thru Turkey.
    By that logic Obama is coloborating with Mexican cartels, you should really do something about that. And again the PKK has been crossing the border since its inception, has the Turkish military been supporting them for 30 years?

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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    By that logic Obama is coloborating with Mexican cartels, you should really do something about that. And again the PKK has been crossing the border since its inception, has the Turkish military been supporting them for 30 years?


    Well BO peep did say degrade and destroy. Like Erdogan, said he would do their part to stop ISIS moving their Oil thru Turkey..

    Oh, and Erdogan already professes to support the MB. Those in Qatar and Egypt too.





    And while Turkey has been overwhelmed by an estimated 1.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees, it also has been accused of harboring -- or at least helping -- ISIS militants by letting them traffic fighters, weapons and lucrative oil shipments over its borders.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also told reporters on Tuesday, "Of course, we will do our part." He was not specific about what Turkey might contribute but said "it includes everything -- both military and political," according to Turkey's DHA news agency. Next month, Turkey's parliament is expected to consider a yearlong extension of a mandate allowing Turkish troops to go to Iraq and Syria. Only a small number of Turkish troops are currently in Syria, to protect a historical site that dates to the Ottoman Empire, although Turkish forces routinely patrol its borders with both Iraq and Syria.

    Zarate said "miles-long truck convoys going in and out of Turkey with oil tankers" have been seen for years, "and so the question is, is Turkey willing to shut down... the economy that ISIL has used to survive." ISIS is also known by the alternate acronym, and now calls itself simply the "Islamic State."....snip~

    Turkey ready to join ISIS fight? - CBS News


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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well BO peep did say degrade and destroy. Like Erdogan, said he would do their part to stop ISIS moving their Oil thru Turkey..

    Oh, and Erdogan already professes to support the MB. Those in Qatar and Egypt too.





    And while Turkey has been overwhelmed by an estimated 1.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees, it also has been accused of harboring -- or at least helping -- ISIS militants by letting them traffic fighters, weapons and lucrative oil shipments over its borders.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also told reporters on Tuesday, "Of course, we will do our part." He was not specific about what Turkey might contribute but said "it includes everything -- both military and political," according to Turkey's DHA news agency. Next month, Turkey's parliament is expected to consider a yearlong extension of a mandate allowing Turkish troops to go to Iraq and Syria. Only a small number of Turkish troops are currently in Syria, to protect a historical site that dates to the Ottoman Empire, although Turkish forces routinely patrol its borders with both Iraq and Syria.

    Zarate said "miles-long truck convoys going in and out of Turkey with oil tankers" have been seen for years, "and so the question is, is Turkey willing to shut down... the economy that ISIL has used to survive." ISIS is also known by the alternate acronym, and now calls itself simply the "Islamic State."....snip~

    Turkey ready to join ISIS fight? - CBS News

    The MB is hardly ISIS though is it? and again i would think someone living in the U.S would be able to grasp the concept of a porous border.

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    Re: Turkey’s Ruling Party Loses Parliamentary Majority

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    The MB is hardly ISIS though is it? and again i would think someone living in the U.S would be able to grasp the concept of a porous border.
    If you mean they are not one in the same, sure. Which organization is larger and has more members? The MB or ISIS.

    Oh, we know about porous borders. But then We weren't talking about being reluctant, refusing to be part of and then finally accepting the reality at hand, with Americans. Can Turkey say the same?

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