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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    A jockey will get fined for letting up/not trying. They were simply not good enough.
    Yes and no. They don't get in trouble for easing their horses down the stretch when there is obviously no chance of coming in the money. And that's what most owners & trainers want them to do. It's blatant easing when there is no reason to ease that gets them in trouble, like on the backstretch or even at the clubhouse turn. Frosted was really the only one trying to get to AP, but you could even see Rosario ease up on him. He knew there was no catching AP.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    One of the greatest moments in sports, that's for sure. Also, one of the greatest lines in sports, too:

    "He's moving like a tremendous machine!" - Chic Anderson

    BTW, it was also nice seeing Penny Chenery there yesterday. She still going strong at 92 years of age!
    I cry to this day when I see that. Chic Anderson said after the race he was so taken aback by what he was seeing that he couldn't even think of an appropriate term and that's what came to his mind. It's such a famous moment in sports calling.

    I remember watching that race live on television. My mother cried. My father was speechless.

    Jack Nicklaus said he watched that race alone in his living room, and he wept. He said all his life he had been striving for perfection and couldn't find it. He said that was the first time in his life that he saw perfection.

    PS I will never, ever make the claim that AP is in Secretariat's league. AP is a great horse and a special horse. Secretariat was a once in history horse. I don't think we will ever see anyone like him again.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    An interesting piece, especially for the longer-term trend for Belmont Stakes times:

    American Pharoah’s A Superhorse, But He’s No Secretariat | FiveThirtyEight
    And he'd be correct. NOBODY was Secretariat, and nobody ever will be.

    I think AP is a better horse than Affirmed, and quite possibly better than Seattle Slew, who I really loved. Slew's legacy isn't even so much the Triple Crown as it was his success as a stud, one of the 5 greatest in history.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I fully agree. It was nice to see that Ms. Chenery is still doing well. She was a classy owner throughout Secretariat's racing career and life.
    She was. She also loved Riva Ridge, who was a year older than Secretariat. She definitely adored her horses.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I will never, ever make the claim that AP is in Secretariat's league. AP is a great horse and a special horse. Secretariat was a once in history horse. I don't think we will ever see anyone like him again.
    You need only look at the times, if nothing else. Over 40 years ago, Secretariat set the record for the Belmont and it'll never be touched. I'm still amazed at him going 1:09 and change for the opening 6 furlongs in a mile and a half race and still having lots left at the end. And when you look at the finishing times, Secretariat was over 2 and a half seconds faster - that's almost 15 lengths - in front of American Pharoah's time. And you look at over 40 years of improvements in training techniques, improvements in veterinary skills and treatments, track conditions, supplements, etc. and Secretariat's feat will never be matched.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i stood up and clapped in my living room. he ran a great race. congrats, American Pharaoh!



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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I cried. I bawled. It's been a long 37 years. It's no secret that I'm a gigantic horse racing fan. My name is a recently retired race horse. I spent my entire life around horses, including a lot of time at the track.

    I remember watching Secretariat when it happened in 1973. I also remember Seattle Slew in 1977, and Affirmed in 1978. I watched every one of the near misses since then, and started to think it would never happen again, in my lifetime or beyond. I knew on Sunday he was going to win. He was peaking. His last work before the Belmont showed a fresh horse who had a lot to give. He as bred to be a "long distance sprinter", like Secretariat. I greatly admired his daddy Pioneerof the Nile (not a misspelling - the "of" ran right into "Pioneer" because of the limits on characters & spaces with the Jockey Club), and adored his granddaddy Empire Maker.

    AP is a very very special horse. He has incredible class, an amazing gait, and a lot of heart.

    I don't care for his trainer Bob Baffert and his owners the Zayats are a bit quirky, but I am so damn glad that this horse did it. And did it with style and with some left in the tank.
    That was a heartfelt & poignant post!

    And it reminded me that those of us who were around in the seventies, got quite a bit spoiled as to the relative abundance of Triple Crown winners!
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
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    My point was that it seemed to me that you seemed to find that unusual or uncommon?

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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You need only look at the times, if nothing else. Over 40 years ago, Secretariat set the record for the Belmont and it'll never be touched. I'm still amazed at him going 1:09 and change for the opening 6 furlongs in a mile and a half race and still having lots left at the end. And when you look at the finishing times, Secretariat was over 2 and a half seconds faster - that's almost 15 lengths - in front of American Pharoah's time. And you look at over 40 years of improvements in training techniques, improvements in veterinary skills and treatments, track conditions, supplements, etc. and Secretariat's feat will never be matched.
    I agree CJ. Imagine any kind of sports record standing for 43 years (so far). It's impossible. Improvements in shoes, training, feed, track conditions, even the damn prenatal care they get - it is absolutely impossible for a speed record to stay intact that long, yet his has. That just goes to show he was the greatest that ever lived and probably ever will live.

    I have some fellow racing fans who say that AP's showing was great, but he's no Secretariat. I keep telling them they need to stop comparing every horse to him. The way I see it is there was Secretariat, and then there was every other race horse in history. Compare them to each other, but don't ever compare anyone to him. It's just going to lead to disappointment. AP is a super horse who deserved his win, and he will forever be greatly admired by me - stubby tail and all.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    That was a heartfelt & poignant post!

    And it reminded me that those of us who were around in the seventies, got quite a bit spoiled as to the relative abundance of Triple Crown winners!
    We waited 25 years for the first one of our lifetimes (Secretariat), and then had 2 more within 5 years. I'm kinda ashamed to admit it, but I wished Affirmed hadn't won his. He was a great horse, and Alydar did everything he could to try to stop it, but it almost lessened the impact of Slew's and to some degree, Secretariat's. There shouldn't be 3 TC winners in such close succession.

    37 years. I still can't believe it was 37 years.
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