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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    The last time I witnessed a horse win the triple crown, I was 11 years old. The following year, Spectacular Bid narrowly failed to become the 4th horse in 7 years to win the TC in the 70s. Back then I thought it was too easy... LOL. Cue 37 years later, and we have our 12th winner. Amazing. I was doubtful AP had the class to win, but he proved me wrong.
    I was 12 the last time I saw one win it. It was Seattle Slew in 77'. I watched Secretariat do it in 73' also when I was 8 years old, but missed Affirmed in 78'.

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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Actually, Secretariat did not run as a 4 year-old. Soon after the Belmont, he was syndicated for $7 million, a crazy amount for that time. He did race about 4 times after the Belmont, and ran his last race in Canada, in the Canadian International on the grass.
    My mistake - thanks - I was thinking his Canadian International was in his 4yr old year.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I wouldn't run him again, too much risk, the reward is already set in stone.
    I can agree, but the racing public and media will pretty much demand it - how much will NBC put on the table to get him to run in the Breeder's Cup Classic?
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I agree.

    He was the Micheal Jordan & Wayne Gretzky of Thoroughbreds!

    (I avoid references to Man o' War due to different eras)

    I forgot about Northern Dancer, but you're right.

    You might be interested in Blood Horse' rankings, if you haven't seen them:

    (Northern Dancer is ranked 7th - scroll-down several pages to the contents)

    Thoroughbred Champions: Top 100 Racehorses of the 20th Century
    Thanks for sharing that - I was speaking more to stud fees and the progeny of Northern Dancer who's seen as the sire/grandsire/greatgrandsire of champion horses throughout the latter years of the 20th century. Northern Dancer didn't complete the Triple Crown, his owners great proponents of Canadian racing, and he ran in the Queen's Plate instead of the Belmont because they were too close together. He won the Canadian Triple Crown but Americans don't think much of that, discrediting his Kentucky Derby and Preakness because of it. But Northern Dancer can be seen in the bloodlines of a lot of great horses the last half-century.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I can agree, but the racing public and media will pretty much demand it - how much will NBC put on the table to get him to run in the Breeder's Cup Classic?
    I can agree with that, that would be the tough part in the decision because you do need to give the fans what they want. That horse deserves his rest after this accomplishment and one just has to do the pro-con on this one. With those stud fees, so much back end risk.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I can agree with that, that would be the tough part in the decision because you do need to give the fans what they want. That horse deserves his rest after this accomplishment and one just has to do the pro-con on this one. With those stud fees, so much back end risk.
    It's being reported this morning that the owners and trainer intend to run him again this year, with his next race being one of the stakes races at Saratoga or the Haskell in Monmouth/New Jersey as his next race leading up to the Breeder's Cup Classic. The owners are based in New Jersey and favour going to the Haskell as supporting their home base. The owners are also quoted as saying the people who bought he stud rights have no say in whether he runs again or not - that tells me the only issue is whether American Pharoah remains sound and comes back training well in the late summer.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    I cried. I bawled. It's been a long 37 years. It's no secret that I'm a gigantic horse racing fan. My name is a recently retired race horse. I spent my entire life around horses, including a lot of time at the track.

    I remember watching Secretariat when it happened in 1973. I also remember Seattle Slew in 1977, and Affirmed in 1978. I watched every one of the near misses since then, and started to think it would never happen again, in my lifetime or beyond. I knew on Sunday he was going to win. He was peaking. His last work before the Belmont showed a fresh horse who had a lot to give. He as bred to be a "long distance sprinter", like Secretariat. I greatly admired his daddy Pioneerof the Nile (not a misspelling - the "of" ran right into "Pioneer" because of the limits on characters & spaces with the Jockey Club), and adored his granddaddy Empire Maker.

    AP is a very very special horse. He has incredible class, an amazing gait, and a lot of heart.

    I don't care for his trainer Bob Baffert and his owners the Zayats are a bit quirky, but I am so damn glad that this horse did it. And did it with style and with some left in the tank.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's being reported this morning that the owners and trainer intend to run him again this year, with his next race being one of the stakes races at Saratoga or the Haskell in Monmouth/New Jersey as his next race leading up to the Breeder's Cup Classic. The owners are based in New Jersey and favour going to the Haskell as supporting their home base. The owners are also quoted as saying the people who bought he stud rights have no say in whether he runs again or not - that tells me the only issue is whether American Pharoah remains sound and comes back training well in the late summer.
    He will run again this year. Probably 3 times. They're considering the Travers or Jim Dandy (Saratoga), Pacific Classic (Del Mar) if they don't go to Saratoga, and the Haskell (Monmouth). And of course the Breeders Club Classic.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There may not be a choice. Leg injuries are nearly always fatal to a horse, I forgot the name of the infection but it's nasty, it is beyond cruel to let them suffer with it.
    Laminitis? That's what did in Secretariat.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Thanks for sharing that - I was speaking more to stud fees and the progeny of Northern Dancer who's seen as the sire/grandsire/greatgrandsire of champion horses throughout the latter years of the 20th century. Northern Dancer didn't complete the Triple Crown, his owners great proponents of Canadian racing, and he ran in the Queen's Plate instead of the Belmont because they were too close together. He won the Canadian Triple Crown but Americans don't think much of that, discrediting his Kentucky Derby and Preakness because of it. But Northern Dancer can be seen in the bloodlines of a lot of great horses the last half-century.
    There was a recent Kentucky Derby where all 20 horses were direct descendants of Northern Dancer. He was without question the greatest stallion in history.
    Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields

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