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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Great horse and race. I don't think any athlete--horse or human--has ever had a performance like Secretariat's Belmont Stakes win. It's worth watching for those who don't know just how extraordinary it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V18ui3Rtjz4
    I agree.

    He was the Micheal Jordan & Wayne Gretzky of Thoroughbreds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't mean to compare American Pharoah to Secretariat - no horse, with the exception of Northern Dancer, comes close - I say Northern Dancer because he would have been a triple crown winner had he not come back home to Canada to run in our triple crown races after winning the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness - "The Dancer" is also the sire of champions and every great racehorse in the last half-century has Dancer blood. I was only trying to compare the way AP opened up in the stretch leaving no doubt. Most of the Belmonts in recent memory have had very close endings.
    I forgot about Northern Dancer, but you're right.

    You might be interested in Blood Horse' rankings, if you haven't seen them:

    (Northern Dancer is ranked 7th - scroll-down several pages to the contents)

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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    One of the greatest moments in sports, that's for sure. Also, one of the greatest lines in sports, too:

    "He's moving like a tremendous machine!" - Chic Anderson

    BTW, it was also nice seeing Penny Chenery there yesterday. She still going strong at 92 years of age!
    She wasn't the only 'Triple Crown' royalty on-hand!

    New York Daily News - 'Jockey Steve Cauthen, who rode Affirmed in 1978, on hand to watch American Pharoah win Triple Crown'
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Congrats to a wonderful animal, by far the best today, and a true champion. As a horse racing fan for decades of my life, it's nice to see such a super horse run a super race leaving no doubt he deserves the honours. The way he pulled away in the stretch reminded me of Secretariat's dominance.

    Hope he gets a nice long rest on the farm and comes back for the fall racing season.
    My grandparents were thoroughbred breeder/owners before they passed, great animals and to see them run is a thing of beauty. I am ecstatic that there is a new triple crown winner, great day for racing.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    A jockey will get fined for letting up/not trying. They were simply not good enough.
    The key is when you let the animal "break" or hit it's full stride, break 'em too early and they burn out, break them too late and you can't catch the leader. What truly makes Jockeys valuable is they have to first be capable of being very light people, then they have to have the ability to connect with the horse and know what it can do.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I forgot about Northern Dancer, but you're right.

    You might be interested in Blood Horse' rankings, if you haven't seen them:

    (Northern Dancer is ranked 7th - scroll-down several pages to the contents)
    A quick note: Native Dancer is listed as #7 and Northern Dancer as #43.

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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Unless the accident somehow effected his sperm production they wouldn't put him down.
    There may not be a choice. Leg injuries are nearly always fatal to a horse, I forgot the name of the infection but it's nasty, it is beyond cruel to let them suffer with it.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A quick note: Native Dancer is listed as #7 and Northern Dancer as #43.
    Oh.

    Thanks for bringing that to my attention - I'll see if I can still edit my post.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't believe his owner has made decision as to whether or not he'll race again. He might race a few more times, though probably not beyond this year. Reportedly, his breeding rights have been sold for a price that now exceeds $20 million given his Triple Crown win and the bonus that was tied to such an outcome, so there might be some added pressure for his retirement.

    Whether or not he races again, he's distinguished himself as among the greatest horses that have ever lived. In recent years, critics have argued for changes in the Triple Crown format, distance, rules (e.g., barring horses that have not run in the Kentucky Derby or Preakness), etc. What those critics missed is that the series in its traditional format has become special, because only the greatest horses win it. I doubt it would have such appeal if Triple Crown victories became frequent events due to some of the absurd, IMO, changes suggested.
    Exactly right, the reason the triple crown is so special is because it is so difficult, right up there with winning multiple World Series championships back to back. Racing at multiple distances and winning all three absolutely requires just the right horse and knowing what he is capable of.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Secretariat raced his 4 year old season. Last year's Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner, California Chrome, ran in the Breeder's Cup Classic and also has raced this year. Winning the Breeder's Cup Classic is worth $3 million plus - that's a lot of stud fees. Unless we find out American Pharoah has some kind of health issue, I'm sure he'll run again.
    I wouldn't run him again, too much risk, the reward is already set in stone.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    An interesting piece, especially for the longer-term trend for Belmont Stakes times:

    American Pharoah’s A Superhorse, But He’s No Secretariat | FiveThirtyEight

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