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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't believe his owner has made decision as to whether or not he'll race again. He might race a few more times, though probably not beyond this year. Reportedly, his breeding rights have been sold for a price that now exceeds $20 million given his Triple Crown win and the bonus that was tied to such an outcome, so there might be some added pressure for his retirement.

    Whether or not he races again, he's distinguished himself as among the greatest horses that have ever lived. In recent years, critics have argued for changes in the Triple Crown format, distance, rules (e.g., barring horses that have not run in the Kentucky Derby or Preakness), etc. What those critics missed is that the series in its traditional format has become special, because only the greatest horses win it. I doubt it would have such appeal if Triple Crown victories became frequent events due to some of the absurd, IMO, changes suggested.
    Very true - American Pharoah's win puts to rest California Chrome's owner's classless whine last year about the series not being fair. Before the race, both AP's owner and trainer both said they wouldn't change the format and that it's fair for all horses.

    As for breeding, I didn't realize they'd already sold the breeding rights for $20 million - that does put pressure on to stop. I'd like to see him run against older horses in the Breeder's Cup like other true champions have - just beating what may be seen as a weak 3yr old crop might hurt him unless he can beat older horses too.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

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    The weird thing is, I'm not really that much of a horse racing fan, but it just so happens that a co-worker was watching it, and I realized a triple crown was possible...

    American Pharoah was basically in the lead the entire time and only got further ahead. The other horses weren't even close at the end.

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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Great horse and race. I don't think any athlete--horse or human--has ever had a performance like Secretariat's Belmont Stakes win. It's worth watching for those who don't know just how extraordinary it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V18ui3Rtjz4
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

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    Secretariat raced his 4 year old season. Last year's Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner, California Chrome, ran in the Breeder's Cup Classic and also has raced this year. Winning the Breeder's Cup Classic is worth $3 million plus - that's a lot of stud fees. Unless we find out American Pharoah has some kind of health issue, I'm sure he'll run again.
    What if he loses one of the races? Could that make his breeding career less lucrative? I did hear just a few minutes ago that the owner had sold the breeding rights for $13 million which is a bargain. So you could be right. It probably depends on what the contract says.

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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

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    What if he loses one of the races? Could that make his breeding career less lucrative? I did hear just a few minutes ago that the owner had sold the breeding rights for $13 million which is a bargain. So you could be right. It probably depends on what the contract says.
    Losing one race, like the Breeder's Cup Classic, won't hurt his breeding value. What will hurt his breeding value is if his progeny are duds on the racetrack. The first colt Secretariat sired was a complete dude racing and Secretariat's breeding value suffered after that until he sired some good horses. It's why I consider Northern Dancer to be the greatest horse, because he sired nothing but champions and his progeny and their progeny continue to be the most important bloodlines in horse racing.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't believe his owner has made decision as to whether or not he'll race again. He might race a few more times, though probably not beyond this year. Reportedly, his breeding rights have been sold for a price that now exceeds $20 million given his Triple Crown win and the bonus that was tied to such an outcome, so there might be some added pressure for his retirement.

    Whether or not he races again, he's distinguished himself as among the greatest horses that have ever lived. In recent years, critics have argued for changes in the Triple Crown format, distance, rules (e.g., barring horses that have not run in the Kentucky Derby or Preakness), etc. What those critics missed is that the series in its traditional format has become special, because only the greatest horses win it. I doubt it would have such appeal if Triple Crown victories became frequent events due to some of the absurd, IMO, changes suggested.
    I read today that he's slated to run about another 3-4 times. Of course it will all depend on his soundness, but so far, he seems to pretty darn tough. And although he's been ultra impressive so far in his career, I am not yet going to place him alongside the immortals of racing. He's got to do more. If he does well in his other starts and ends up winning the Breeders Cup Classic in the fall against older horses, then, it will be a fair debate.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Losing one race, like the Breeder's Cup Classic, won't hurt his breeding value. What will hurt his breeding value is if his progeny are duds on the racetrack. The first colt Secretariat sired was a complete dude racing and Secretariat's breeding value suffered after that until he sired some good horses. It's why I consider Northern Dancer to be the greatest horse, because he sired nothing but champions and his progeny and their progeny continue to be the most important bloodlines in horse racing.
    Northern Dancer was no doubt the best sire of the 20th century. At one point, his stud value was 1 million, with no guarantee of a live foal.

    As fas as Secretariat, you're right, he did sire some nice horses, but he never really produced another 'him,' or anything close. However, he was a valued broodmare sire. His mares did throw many stakes winners and champions.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Secretariat raced his 4 year old season. Last year's Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner, California Chrome, ran in the Breeder's Cup Classic and also has raced this year. Winning the Breeder's Cup Classic is worth $3 million plus - that's a lot of stud fees. Unless we find out American Pharoah has some kind of health issue, I'm sure he'll run again.
    Actually, Secretariat did not run as a 4 year-old. Soon after the Belmont, he was syndicated for $7 million, a crazy amount for that time. He did race about 4 times after the Belmont, and ran his last race in Canada, in the Canadian International on the grass.
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    Re: American Pharoah wins Triple Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Very true - American Pharoah's win puts to rest California Chrome's owner's classless whine last year about the series not being fair. Before the race, both AP's owner and trainer both said they wouldn't change the format and that it's fair for all horses.
    Agreed. The owners of AP strike me as very classy people and true fans of racing. I am sure the one owner of CC--the one that whined about the unfairness of it all--is now eating crow.
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