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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Only if it's real, and not merely a chess move in a bigger game.
    Maybe the more interesting point is that some folks, governments, take actions to seek peace, as others take actions to end peace, make war.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Maybe the more interesting point is that some folks, governments, take actions to seek peace, as others take actions to end peace, make war.
    Are you claiming that Russia is like Switzerland?
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Are you claiming that Russia is like Switzerland?
    I'm not sure of the comparison you're trying to make with those 2 countries, but I am claiming that Russia is entitled to Crimea. Might makes right sometimes, and Russia is just as entitled as we are to project a sort of Monroe Doctrine, if you get my drift. Their navy had been there for years before.

    Russia is naturally going to protect its adjacent areas, just as humans have done for a long time. Why freak out over it?

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm not sure of the comparison you're trying to make with those 2 countries, but I am claiming that Russia is entitled to Crimea. Might makes right sometimes, and Russia is just as entitled as we are to project a sort of Monroe Doctrine, if you get my drift. Their navy had been there for years before.

    Russia is naturally going to protect its adjacent areas, just as humans have done for a long time. Why freak out over it?
    That's not the same as saying they're a bunch of peace lovers.
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That's not the same as saying they're a bunch of peace lovers.
    Well I never said they were a bunch of peace lovers. What I said was that with the Minsk agreement, Russia has taken more actions to seek and achieve peace than the US has.

    Take up Putin's challenge Radcen--generate a world map showing US bases and military presence and military operations, and then generate one showing Russian bases, military presence and military operations. Compare and contrast, if you dare.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    What I said was that with the Minsk agreement, Russia has taken more actions to seek and achieve peace than the US has.
    The US didn't invade and illegally annex Crimea. Nor has the US sent thousands of soldiers and weapons into eastern Ukraine.

    Russia has done these things. Naturally, there can be no attempt at a meaningful Ukraine ceasefire (Minsk II) without including the aggressor state (Russia).

    However, the massive pro-Russia rebel attack on the government town of Marinka (June 3) may spell the end of the Minsk II Accord.

    1,000 pro-Russian rebels in tank offensive on east Ukrainian town

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Well I never said they were a bunch of peace lovers. What I said was that with the Minsk agreement, Russia has taken more actions to seek and achieve peace than the US has.

    Take up Putin's challenge Radcen--generate a world map showing US bases and military presence and military operations, and then generate one showing Russian bases, military presence and military operations. Compare and contrast, if you dare.
    Why are you under the illusion that lack of ability to project worldwide somehow equates to a lower hostility level?
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Why are you under the illusion that lack of ability to project worldwide somehow equates to a lower hostility level?
    I'm not sure which one of us is under an illusion. One government commits military aggression under fraud killing many thousands, and does drone strikes against innocents on the other side of the globe.

    The other government reacts to threats from outside, does not conduct drone strikes and has not invaded countries under fraud.

    Yet you see the former as some sort of justified and good effect.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm not sure which one of us is under an illusion. One government commits military aggression under fraud killing many thousands, and does drone strikes against innocents on the other side of the globe.

    The other government reacts to threats from outside, does not conduct drone strikes and has not invaded countries under fraud.

    Yet you see the former as some sort of justified and good effect.
    Man you are drinking that Russian propaganda by the gallons arent you?

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Maybe Putin should ask himself why his neighbours find NATO membership so appealing.

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