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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It seems very obvious that Russia seeks peace much more actively than the US does.

    The US gives lip service to peace, but its actions with drones and other military aggression is well known around the world.
    Please explain how Russia is seeking peace in Crimea and the Ukraine.
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    But the question was, what has the US "done for peace" other than lip service?
    I'm not addressing what the US has done or hasn't done. I'm addressing the absurd notion that Russia has noble and altruistic motives. It's not a relative issue with the lesser antagonist being the good guy and public relations winner. You can debate the other part with someone else.
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm not addressing what the US has done or hasn't done. I'm addressing the absurd notion that Russia has noble and altruistic motives. It's not a relative issue with the lesser antagonist being the good guy and public relations winner. You can debate the other part with someone else.
    You responded to a post of mine in which I said that Russia had sought peace more actively than the US has. I did not claim that Russia has noble and altruistic motives. I claimed that by way of the Minsk Agreement, peace had been sought. Indeed, temporarily at least, peace had been achieved.

    My point was that is more peace-seeking than the US has done. That was the point of my post to another poster to which you replied.

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    We must keep in mind that Crimea and Ukraine are to Russia what Mexico, Cuba and other regions are to the US. Their sphere of influence there is fairly equal to the sphere of influence the US claims by way of its Monroe Doctrine.

    That Russia would act aggressively to protect its naval interests and others in that region is natural and normal.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There's a strange atmosphere of illogicality and confusion when Russia is raising concern about NATO nations upgrading their defenses reasoning said concern with "you have nothing to fear". Then what is Russia fearing, exactly?
    You do realize that the USA has been waging an ECONOMIC WAR against Russia, don't you? The USA and the Fed have been using the IMF, World Bank, etc., to pressure Nations all over the World to kowtow to USA demands are bankrupt them. Sanctions, currency manipulations, banking restrictions, credit constraints, interference in Russian Energy Distribution networks, and other Full Sprectrum Dominance in the economic areas has been the USA agenda targetted against Russia for over a year now. Much of this policy has suffered serious blowback and been detrimental to EU Nations. I would say our behavior gives the Russians a great deal to fear and causes tit for tat defensive responses by Russia. Our NATO interference and belligerence and posturing is also required to be responded to by Russia. Keerist, I believe our NeoCon foreign policy is an absolute failure and creates huge threats to World Peace. On the other hand, in the USA, "War is good business, and business is good." don't ya' know?

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You responded to a post of mine in which I said that Russia had sought peace more actively than the US has. I did not claim that Russia has noble and altruistic motives. I claimed that by way of the Minsk Agreement, peace had been sought. Indeed, temporarily at least, peace had been achieved.

    My point was that is more peace-seeking than the US has done. That was the point of my post to another poster to which you replied.

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    We must keep in mind that Crimea and Ukraine are to Russia what Mexico, Cuba and other regions are to the US. Their sphere of influence there is fairly equal to the sphere of influence the US claims by way of its Monroe Doctrine.

    That Russia would act aggressively to protect its naval interests and others in that region is natural and normal.
    And my point was that they only "sought peace" to buy time for their real goal, which is to continue and bring as much of the former Soviet Union back under their influence as possible, not because they actually wanted peace. It was a strategic means to and end, not the end itself, hence it has zero value in comparison.
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You do realize that the USA has been waging an ECONOMIC WAR against Russia, don't you? The USA and the Fed have been using the IMF, World Bank, etc., to pressure Nations all over the World to kowtow to USA demands are bankrupt them. Sanctions, currency manipulations, banking restrictions, credit constraints, interference in Russian Energy Distribution networks, and other Full Sprectrum Dominance in the economic areas has been the USA agenda targetted against Russia for over a year now. Much of this policy has suffered serious blowback and been detrimental to EU Nations. I would say our behavior gives the Russians a great deal to fear and causes tit for tat defensive responses by Russia. Our NATO interference and belligerence and posturing is also required to be responded to by Russia. Keerist, I believe our NeoCon foreign policy is an absolute failure and creates huge threats to World Peace. On the other hand, in the USA, "War is good business, and business is good." don't ya' know?
    What I do realize is that it's a two-way street, and whatever the US was doing to Russia and to the Soviet Union before it behind the iron curtains Russia was also trying to do to the US, only difference being that the US had done so more successfully.
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What I do realize is that it's a two-way street, and whatever the US was doing to Russia and to the Soviet Union before it behind the iron curtains Russia was also trying to do to the US, only difference being that the US had done so more successfully.
    You're hearing this News "Narrative" because it is necessary to ratchet up fear to get more money for weapons. You know. Wars on terror, drugs, people, Islam, etc. The Russians do not project dominance through bases all over the World. It is the USA that does that to enforce its' hegemony, as needed. Russia is rebuilding from a bankruptcy and USA Corporatists are angry because they were outsmarted by the Russians in the "Spoils of War" economy during privatization. The USA wants Russia to behave as a vassal State, and has force Russia to ally with China to remain independent. More power to the Russians for resisting the hegemony.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You're hearing this News "Narrative" because it is necessary to ratchet up fear to get more money for weapons. You know. Wars on terror, drugs, people, Islam, etc. The Russians do not project dominance through bases all over the World. It is the USA that does that to enforce its' hegemony, as needed. Russia is rebuilding from a bankruptcy and USA Corporatists are angry because they were outsmarted by the Russians in the "Spoils of War" economy during privatization. The USA wants Russia to behave as a vassal State, and has force Russia to ally with China to remain independent. More power to the Russians for resisting the hegemony.
    So I can only conclude that in your universe Spock has a beard.
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So I can only conclude that in your universe Spock has a beard.
    So I can only conclude that you are in complete agreement with everything I said. Thanks. Too much sage in an avatar means it's over-seasoned.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Why fear us? We didn't do anything in Ukraine. And even if we did, we still weren't a threat Russia and it sure as hell doesn't justify what it's doing in Ukraine.
    Perception is reality. And whether or not you're capable of acknowledging it, Russian intelligence is keenly aware of the US fingerprints in Kiev, late 2013 (and before really). And, though you disagree with them, there are plenty of people outside of Russia that acknowledge it as well.

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