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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Of course they did. But the rest of the world said otherwise.
    I guess you're one of those guys that pulls his britches on in the morning and thinks the whole world is dressed.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Fortunately, Russia (the aggressor state) and China do not speak for most nations.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    No, I'm simply telling you an obvious fact. Russia had no history of "democracy" and "liberalism", hence, it is asinine to expect a country which was living and its territories and mentality were formed under "strongmen" for so long to magically turn into some liberal fantasy world.
    It didn't work in the 90's when Western/Russian "experts" pushed Russia's political pendulum into a "liberal" direction way too hard, to a point it simply swung back on them, and it's not going to work now either.
    It's very simple, yet for some reason still so hard to comprehend.

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    Plenty of countries that have had "no history" of democracy, liberalism, or the like have become converts to democracy. There is no basis for asserting that there is some sort of permanent, immovable, cultural impediment to democratization in Russia. Moreover if what you are saying is true then it makes sense to consider Russia a perpetual enemy and do out utmost to contain them and roll them back. We have already made great progress over the past 20 years in doing so, perhaps the next step is to make Western Ukraine a military bulwark.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Fortunately, Russia (the aggressor state) and China do not speak for most nations.

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    They may call upon that all they wish.
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Plenty of countries that have had "no history" of democracy, liberalism, or the like have become converts to democracy. There is no basis for asserting that there is some sort of permanent, immovable, cultural impediment to democratization in Russia. Moreover if what you are saying is true then it makes sense to consider Russia a perpetual enemy and do out utmost to contain them and roll them back. We have already made great progress over the past 20 years in doing so, perhaps the next step is to make Western Ukraine a military bulwark.
    Which countries are you talking about?

    I've already explained that there is major historical basis, that helped in shaping the "Russian mentality" and the Russian people's affection to "strongmen" in power of a country which considers itself a heavy-weight in the global arena. Moreover, these "strongmen" are also those that often keep the vast Russian territories from breaking apart.
    Does it mean that Russia would never become "democratic"? No. It simply means that changes need time, and that the final result might not be the democratic fantasy world that you want Russia to be, but something that Russians want their country to be.

    Lastly, those "roll back" policies of the 90's are actually those that contributed to the rise of another strongman. Many Russians, contrary to the West didn't see the break down of the Soviet Union as a complete defeat after which they should follow every Western whim, but as some sort of a humiliating treason committed by the heads of the state towards their own nation. The first glee from having Coca Cola, McDonald's and promises of a bright future were quickly relapsed by hate and despair of people not getting paid at all despite coming to work every day, or getting "paid" in the products that they themselves produced.
    Seeing factories that produced parts for rockets being "privatized" and destroyed, or converted to production of some toilet seats, the crime rampage, Chechnya, and so many other things... basically people saw a country which was a Superpower only few years ago being stolen away and taken apart by people that are considered to be the beacons of progress in the West. Hence, naturally people turned to the strongman model again, which provided them with relative economic security, and the feeling of some sort of a meaning and pride in what they do and in their own country.


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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They may call upon that all they wish.
    When the NSA breaks the law, you get all butt-hurt.

    When Russia breaks the law and steals sovereign land, you have no problem with it.

    Like I've pointed out previously, your appreciation of the law is ... strictly situational.


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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Rusia is not to be feared, as always, but those two demons as 'Umar' and 'EDMed the economist are a nightmare.

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