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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    So was the phony Crimea referendum which violated both the Ukrainian and the Crimean constitutions.

    Lol. Your concern for constitutionality is ... superficial and decidedly situational.
    Russia says the referendum was very legit!!!
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia says the referendum was very legit!!!
    Of course they do.
    Oy vey!

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    When Russia withdraws from Ukraine, Georgia, and Transnistria, when it democratizes and abandons its fascistic strongman model of government, when it decides to liberalize and fully join the Democratic Community it will not only have nothing to fear it will be one of the leaders of a new world order.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Of course they do.
    And just like everything you hear coming out of the Whitehouse is true!
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    When Russia withdraws from Ukraine, Georgia, and Transnistria, when it democratizes and abandons its fascistic strongman model of government, when it decides to liberalize and fully join the Democratic Community it will not only have nothing to fear it will be one of the leaders of a new world order.
    Nope, unfortunately it won't.

    Your scenario not only asks Russia to abandon its' regional interests but also tells Russia to stop being Russia which in turn would possibly lead to its break down into smaller states - as what you're asking for Russia to do, is to ignore its' past and history and to completely restructure the Russian mentality.
    This was already attempted in the 90's, it failed miserably.


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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    A very tiny percentage of Ukrainians rioting in the streets of Kiev, burning government buildings, driving the elected president from office under threat of death, wasn't a constitutional process to begin it all with. Little surprise to me that Russia moved to secure their interests and assets in Crimea.
    That's an excuse. And also, explain Russian aggression in Eastern Ukraine.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia says the referendum was very legit!!!
    Of course they did. But the rest of the world said otherwise.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Nope, unfortunately it won't.

    Your scenario not only asks Russia to abandon its' regional interests but also tells Russia to stop being Russia which in turn would possibly lead to its break down into smaller states - as what you're asking for Russia to do, is to ignore its' past and history and to completely restructure the Russian mentality.
    This was already attempted in the 90's, it failed miserably.


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    Then Russia will have to be forever contained and one destroyed by fragmentation. If you are telling me there is some racial inability among Russians to accept democracy and liberalism, or to eschew reactionary fascistic nationalism, (which I do not accept) then the only other alternative is to treat them as permanent enemies and continue to bleed and hem them in.

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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    That's an excuse. And also, explain Russian aggression in Eastern Ukraine.
    So you call it an excuse, Russia considers it a reason, and to not lose there warm water port, a damn good one. And what the EU or the US thinks about it didn't change that fact a bit.

    As to Russia's involvement in Eastern Ukraine, not unlike the US is Keene to do when it suits our interests, wink wink, nod nod, they are supporting a people fighting for self determination. Something we hear Americans cry all the time!
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    Re: President Vladimir Putin tells West not to fear Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Then Russia will have to be forever contained and one destroyed by fragmentation. If you are telling me there is some racial inability among Russians to accept democracy and liberalism, or to eschew reactionary fascistic nationalism, (which I do not accept) then the only other alternative is to treat them as permanent enemies and continue to bleed and hem them in.
    No, I'm simply telling you an obvious fact. Russia had no history of "democracy" and "liberalism", hence, it is asinine to expect a country which was living and its territories and mentality were formed under "strongmen" for so long to magically turn into some liberal fantasy world.
    It didn't work in the 90's when Western/Russian "experts" pushed Russia's political pendulum into a "liberal" direction way too hard, to a point it simply swung back on them, and it's not going to work now either.
    It's very simple, yet for some reason still so hard to comprehend.

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