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Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

And again you change the demand. That isn't what you were asking for. You moved the goal posts.

I never said they were forgotten for 8 hours. It's hard to forget a child for that long in a public place because there are other people there, not because the parents remembered. Many of the parents were on the plane, some already in the air when they got informed or realized, and in most cases, there was more than one family member flying, all not realizing the child wasn't with them.

I didn't move the goal posts. You apparently have no idea what you're posting about. You are equating "losing" a child for a few minutes in an airport with forgetting your child sitting outside in your hot car for over 8 hours. Unbelievable. Are you being facetious here? Because it is virtually impossible for someone to make as many clueless posts about the subject as you've managed to do.
 
I didn't move the goal posts. You apparently have no idea what you're posting about. You are equating "losing" a child for a few minutes in an airport with forgetting your child sitting outside in your hot car for over 8 hours. Unbelievable. Are you being facetious here? Because it is virtually impossible for someone to make as many clueless posts about the subject as you've managed to do.

How is being able to get on a plane, a few minutes? Some being in the air? It takes longer than a few minutes to do this. And they had to be told that their child was missing.

As I've said, it does happen in other places, and happened in the past. It ends tragically much more often when a child is forgotten in a car, especially now, because of the circumstances, not because it doesn't happen other places, times. The circumstances that make our lives more convenient and keep our children safe also lead to some negatives.

Maybe the answer lies in designing cars to not trap heat or cold when turned off. Add sensors and alarms to cars that sense when there is more than 5-8 lbs on the back seat and sounds an alert when the door is opened, something different than the other alerts on a car.

Then there is the girl who was left at Chuckee Cheese for hours because each parent thought someone else had her.
 
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How is being able to get on a plane, a few minutes? Some being in the air? It takes longer than a few minutes to do this. And they had to be told that their child was missing.

Then there is the girl who was left at Chuckee Cheese for hours because each parent thought someone else had her.

"Each parent thought someone else had her." You didn't even pay attention to what you wrote. That isn't forgetting the child for 8 hours. Are you going to continue with these idiotic posts? Do you have any clue what this thread is about?
 
"Each parent thought someone else had her." You didn't even pay attention to what you wrote. That isn't forgetting the child for 8 hours. Are you going to continue with these idiotic posts? Do you have any clue what this thread is about?

So it's not ok to forget your child despite research that shows it is in part due to the way our brains and memory are wired, but is okay to not know who is responsible for getting the child home? Either they didn't have a plan to begin with or someone forgot the child/plan.
 
So it's not ok to forget your child despite research that shows it is in part due to the way our brains and memory are wired, but is okay to not know who is responsible for getting the child home? Either they didn't have a plan to begin with or someone forgot the child/plan.

Yes, I know. To you, someone who forgets to pick up her child by 2 pm at a birthday party is no different than someone who lets her child roast to death in her car for 8 hours. You don't have to keep repeating your insane justifications.
 
Yes, I know. To you, someone who forgets to pick up her child by 2 pm at a birthday party is no different than someone who lets her child roast to death in her car for 8 hours. You don't have to keep repeating your insane justifications.

This wasn't a birthday party that the child was dropped off at, but a party that the entire family was at, both parents included.

Parents Learn Daughter Was Left In Chuck E. Cheese By Watching News

And another parent who forgot her child, one of ten children, at Chuck E Cheese.

In 911 Call, Texas Mother Calmly Reported, "I Think I Left My Child At Chuck E. Cheese Last Night." | The Smoking Gun

"It wasn’t until Friday at about 8 AM--nine hours after she departed Chuck E. Cheese--that the mother called 911 to report that her daughter was missing."
 
This wasn't a birthday party that the child was dropped off at, but a party that the entire family was at, both parents included.

Parents Learn Daughter Was Left In Chuck E. Cheese By Watching News

And another parent who forgot her child, one of ten children, at Chuck E Cheese.

In 911 Call, Texas Mother Calmly Reported, "I Think I Left My Child At Chuck E. Cheese Last Night." | The Smoking Gun

"It wasn’t until Friday at about 8 AM--nine hours after she departed Chuck E. Cheese--that the mother called 911 to report that her daughter was missing."

Oh wow! Then I guess it IS perfectly normal to allow your child to roast in your car. Silly me.

The good news is with experts like you saying it's perfectly normal, any parents who want to get rid of their kids can do it, and just say "Well, there's nothing odd about me forgetting my kid for 8 hours! We're all wired that way!".

It's a shame for Susan Smith that she didn't have access to your posts and "there's nothing wrong with it!" posts before she made her kids drown in the car. All she had to do was leave them in those car seats for 8 hours cooking in the SC sun and she would have been off the hook.
 
Oh wow! Then I guess it IS perfectly normal to allow your child to roast in your car. Silly me.

The good news is with experts like you saying it's perfectly normal, any parents who want to get rid of their kids can do it, and just say "Well, there's nothing odd about me forgetting my kid for 8 hours! We're all wired that way!".

It's a shame for Susan Smith that she didn't have access to your posts and "there's nothing wrong with it!" posts before she made her kids drown in the car. All she had to do was leave them in those car seats for 8 hours cooking in the SC sun and she would have been off the hook.

Seriously why are you insisting on making such over-the-top arguments that don't follow what I have been saying at all?

I'm probably one of the top people saying the guy in Georgia who there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he actually did leave his son in the car on purpose should be tried (and he has been charged with murder) because of his apparent (even if not completely proven, yet) intent to purposely cause the death of his child that way. The difference is intent. Intentionally leaving your child in the car, especially to kill them, is not something that we should refuse to punish. Even if there are other circumstances, such as drugs or alcohol involved, that led to the child being "forgotten", then that should result in charges. But there was no intent to harm the child by many of these parents, nor were they doing anything illegal or that they should have known better when it comes to being responsible for a child.

We don't charge vehicular homicide in every incident where someone dies in a car accident. Generally, that charge is reserved for those who are doing something else wrong, violating some other law, such as speeding or driving under the influence.
 
Seriously why are you insisting on making such over-the-top arguments that don't follow what I have been saying at all?

I'm probably one of the top people saying the guy in Georgia who there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he actually did leave his son in the car on purpose should be tried (and he has been charged with murder) because of his apparent (even if not completely proven, yet) intent to purposely cause the death of his child that way. The difference is intent. Intentionally leaving your child in the car, especially to kill them, is not something that we should refuse to punish. Even if there are other circumstances, such as drugs or alcohol involved, that led to the child being "forgotten", then that should result in charges. But there was no intent to harm the child by many of these parents, nor were they doing anything illegal or that they should have known better when it comes to being responsible for a child.

We don't charge vehicular homicide in every incident where someone dies in a car accident. Generally, that charge is reserved for those who are doing something else wrong, violating some other law, such as speeding or driving under the influence.

Just stop. I can't read any more of your drivel about how it's understandable and explainable for parents to allow their children to bake in cars.
 
Just stop. I can't read any more of your drivel about how it's understandable and explainable for parents to allow their children to bake in cars.

A fact they'll have to live with for the rest of their life. And all the outrage and punishment in the world won't bring the children back, nor is it truly likely to prevent more deaths.
 
A fact they'll have to live with for the rest of their life. And all the outrage and punishment in the world won't bring the children back, nor is it truly likely to prevent more deaths.

If i murder someone and feel really bad should I not be punished? Even if punishing me won't prevent other deaths or bring my victims back? Why have a legal system at all?
 
If i murder someone and feel really bad should I not be punished? Even if punishing me won't prevent other deaths or bring my victims back? Why have a legal system at all?

Do you believe the child would feel that punishing their parent for a mistake would be some form of justice?

Murder indicates intent to kill. There is still intent there.
 
Do you believe the child would feel that punishing their parent for a mistake would be some form of justice?

Murder indicates intent to kill. There is still intent there.

There are varying degrees of murder. If I am speeding and hit a child, it is still murder. If i am recklessly firing a gun and kill someone it is still murder. Regardless of my intent. My irresponsible and negligent actions caused the death of another person. that is murder.
 
This wasn't a birthday party that the child was dropped off at, but a party that the entire family was at, both parents included.

Parents Learn Daughter Was Left In Chuck E. Cheese By Watching News

And another parent who forgot her child, one of ten children, at Chuck E Cheese.

In 911 Call, Texas Mother Calmly Reported, "I Think I Left My Child At Chuck E. Cheese Last Night." | The Smoking Gun

"It wasn’t until Friday at about 8 AM--nine hours after she departed Chuck E. Cheese--that the mother called 911 to report that her daughter was missing."

So your argument is that since other parents are ****ty parents it makes it ok to kill kids?

If you can go home, and have dinner, and put your kids to bed and not realize you are missing one, all of this womans kids should be taken from her before she kills them.
 
So your argument is that since other parents are ****ty parents it makes it ok to kill kids?

If you can go home, and have dinner, and put your kids to bed and not realize you are missing one, all of this womans kids should be taken from her before she kills them.

32 years old, 10 children, no husband. She had so many kids and was so irresponsible (obviously) she probably legitimately did forget about one of her 10 kids. But because she did that, it's perfectly understandable that a woman forget her one and only child who was sitting in the car seat as she always did when her mother drove to work, don't you know?

In the case of the 5 year old, her parents were divorced and split custody of her. Each parent thought the other one was going to Chuck E Cheese's to pick her up.

And neither situation has even a remote similarity to this poor toddler's.
 
The mother who left her 5 year old at Chuck E Cheese's was 32 and had 10 children. She had her first child at 17 years old.

This is what's being used as an example of how easy and understandable it is to let your toddler roast to death in her car seat while you're inside teaching school.

ANOTHER child left behind at Chuck E Cheese...parents notice the next morning | Daily Mail Online

Unbelievable.

She still forgot her child. Are only certain parents allowed to forget where their children are?
 
She still forgot her child. Are only certain parents allowed to forget where their children are?

No, an irresponsible, unmarried and alone mother of 10 forgot her child, so that makes it alright that a mother let her toddler cook in the car. I know already. You don't have to keep justifying what you think with your pathetic internet stories.
 
32 years old, 10 children, no husband. She had so many kids and was so irresponsible (obviously) she probably legitimately did forget about one of her 10 kids. But because she did that, it's perfectly understandable that a woman forget her one and only child who was sitting in the car seat as she always did when her mother drove to work, don't you know?

In the case of the 5 year old, her parents were divorced and split custody of her. Each parent thought the other one was going to Chuck E Cheese's to pick her up.

And neither situation has even a remote similarity to this poor toddler's.

The 3 year old was not being picked up by either parent, they were both at the party, and both believed the someone else had their child. Neither bothered to check to make sure.
 
The 3 year old was not being picked up by either parent, they were both at the party, and both believed the someone else had their child. Neither bothered to check to make sure.

Which has nothing to do with what we're posting about. This isn't about forgetting to pick your kid up at a ****ing party or thinking someone else is going to do it. Are you really going to keep posting these absolutely clueless posts?
 
I think that man in Georgia who left his child in a car to die should tell his lawyer to use some of these gems as an excuse. "Well your honor, a woman left her child in Chuck E Cheese's, so it's perfectly understandable that I did it too!".
 
No, an irresponsible, unmarried and alone mother of 10 forgot her child, so that makes it alright that a mother let her toddler cook in the car. I know already. You don't have to keep justifying what you think with your pathetic internet stories.

I was showing you it does happen. You claimed that people don't forget their children other places besides a car, that you knew of. I showed you where they actually do. You claimed it was only happening now days, but it did happen in the past.

The woman can be at fault without requiring additional punishment from society.
 
Which has nothing to do with what we're posting about. This isn't about forgetting to pick your kid up at a ****ing party or thinking someone else is going to do it. Are you really going to keep posting these absolutely clueless posts?

No it is about forgetting you had the child with you in the car. Which doesn't require intent or doing something wrong. It requires the same sort of mental misfiring that makes you forget to check if the child is in the car when you leave a place, forget to check to ensure you have the child you agreed to take home, forget to pick up the child you agree to pick up, some things many parents do at least once as a parent. It is more tragic more often when it happens with a kid in the car because of the nature of the car/situation, not because the parent is worse and more deserving of punishment than those other parents.

The parents could all use some help with actually putting in place reminders, but that doesn't indicate a need to punish the parents, send them to jail.
 
I was showing you it does happen. You claimed that people don't forget their children other places besides a car, that you knew of. I showed you where they actually do. You claimed it was only happening now days, but it did happen in the past.

The woman can be at fault without requiring additional punishment from society.

I never claimed any such thing. Another idiotic post. I said it was impossible for her to have forgotten her child in a broiling hot car while she taught school for 8 hours. I also said I don't remember stories of people doing it. And you've alternated between scouring the internet for any stories you can find to show it's perfectly normal behavior, because you think that a woman cooking her child alive under these circumstances is normal. I don't. You can go on down there and support her since what she did is no big deal to you. Thank doG you only think it's acceptable and understandable and didn't actually do the same stupid, irresponsible thing yourself.
 
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No it is about forgetting you had the child with you in the car. Which doesn't require intent or doing something wrong. It requires the same sort of mental misfiring that makes you forget to check if the child is in the car when you leave a place, forget to check to ensure you have the child you agreed to take home, forget to pick up the child you agree to pick up, some things many parents do at least once as a parent. It is more tragic more often when it happens with a kid in the car because of the nature of the car/situation, not because the parent is worse and more deserving of punishment than those other parents.

The parents could all use some help with actually putting in place reminders, but that doesn't indicate a need to punish the parents, send them to jail.

I don't want to get points or infractions telling you what I think except to say I've never seen a bigger collection of idiotic, ridiculous, and bulll**** posts coming from a single poster in my years on the internet. Spare me your fake internet psychology and go away.
 
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