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Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

That sounds all well and good EXCEPT the dad was the one who strapped the child into the car seat before pulling out of the driveway. That doesn't jive.

I don't know what that has to do with anything.
 
I don't know what that has to do with anything.

It has everything to do with what the father was aware of before pulling out of his driveway with the kid he strapped into the car seat behind him.

How the heck after going through the motions of strapping in a child into a car seat can you forget you have a child in the backseat 10 to even 30 minutes later depending how long it takes to get to daycare? How engulfed in his thoughts void of those of his own child must have he have been to leave him in the car not noticing while he sought his own personal agenda. So much so, he didn't even notice the child in the back. Sorry, that's plain and simple negligence and he will have to live with it for the rest of his life. Self can be really destructive.
 
how many times do babies have to die in cars before people just quit doing it? i remember this happening over and over again for past decade.
 
It has everything to do with what the father was aware of before pulling out of his driveway with the kid he strapped into the car seat behind him.

How the heck after going through the motions of strapping in a child into a car seat can you forget you have a child in the backseat 10 to even 30 minutes later depending how long it takes to get to daycare? How engulfed in his thoughts void of those of his own child must have he have been...

Not very. It doesn't take all that much to go on autopilot and forget if dropping the kid off before work is not part of one's daily routine. Who strapped the kid in makes little difference.

I'm not disputing how horrifying of a mistake it is. How simple of a mistake it is to make is what makes it all the more horrifying, in my opinion. All I'm disputing with you is that you seem to think it must require some criminal degree of neglectfulness or self-centeredness to make. Almost any ordinary parent could make this mistake, including otherwise great parents. That's what makes it so scary.
 
Do I think it is a crime that this father forgot about his toddler strapped in a car seat in the back of his car? Yes.

Did he purposely plan to leave his child in the backseat of a sweltering car for nine hours till he met his death? No. But neither was the one who struck another vehicle in an accident that took another's life. Negligence, wrongdoing that results in the harm of another is criminal.

It sound like the father that forgot he had a toddler in the backseat of his vehicle did not have his priorities in order. His main concern from the time he strapped the kid into the car seat would be to realize he had precious cargo on board and his first point of concern should be getting the child transported to a safe location before anything else take precedent for the day.

How in the Hell do you forget you have a child strapped in a car seat? How???????
Can only post 2 paras, read the rest it is an eye opener.

Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post

Diamond is the memory expert with a lousy memory, the one who recently realized, while driving to the mall, that his infant granddaughter was asleep in the back of the car. He remembered only because his wife, sitting beside him, mentioned the baby. He understands what could have happened had he been alone with the child. Almost worse, he understands exactly why.

The human brain, he says, is a magnificent but jury-rigged device in which newer and more sophisticated structures sit atop a junk heap of prototype brains still used by lower species. At the top of the device are the smartest and most nimble parts: the prefrontal cortex, which thinks and analyzes, and the hippocampus, which makes and holds on to our immediate memories. At the bottom is the basal ganglia, nearly identical to the brains of lizards, controlling voluntary but barely conscious actions.
 
No offense to any parent that has forgotten their child somewhere but if you have you have ****ing problems... how one could forget they have their child in the car is absolutely idiotic.
 
You make the same drive to work every day, over and over and over, and normally you are not the one that drops off your child at daycare. Something different comes up in the family schedule and you take you child in to daycare instead of mom. Your child falls asleep within five minutes of leaving the house. During the drive you start thinking about what you have to accomplish at work that day. You drive to work and forget your silent, sleeping, rear-facing child is in the back seat. You get out of the car and enter your workplace.

That's how.

That is ridiculous... You are probably driving to day care or a sitters house instead of work, different route. You are probably leaving at a different time as well... if it is not your normal drive into work then you remember why because it is an abnormal morning commute... not routine.
 
I don't know what that has to do with anything.

Because it means that it was not some normal morning as you made it sound where it is easy to just slip into a normal routine...
 
Not very. It doesn't take all that much to go on autopilot and forget if dropping the kid off before work is not part of one's daily routine. Who strapped the kid in makes little difference.

I can only assume that you are not a parent because this sounds utterly naive.

I'm not disputing how horrifying of a mistake it is. How simple of a mistake it is to make is what makes it all the more horrifying, in my opinion. All I'm disputing with you is that you seem to think it must require some criminal degree of neglectfulness or self-centeredness to make. Almost any ordinary parent could make this mistake, including otherwise great parents. That's what makes it so scary.

How simple of a mistake? Wrong. If it was that simple of a mistake we would have ten thousand dead babies a year and no, not almost any ordinary parent could make that mistake either...

Quit doing what? Having children? Driving with them anywhere? Working?

:roll:
 
This should be a murder charge, or at the very least, manslaughter. There is no excuse for 'forgetting' a child - or a pet - in a car. None, zilch, zip, nada.

Just yesterday I went to a store and there were two kids in a car with the windows rolled up. 6 and 8 years old, or so. Iwent in and told the lady working there (Home Depot kind of place) and she says, well, it isn't a hot day so maybe if the car is there in 30 minutes or so I will make a page to the customers" or something really close to that. I looked at her shocked and asked if she ever sat in a car with windows rolled up for 30 minutes and she looked dumb and I said that kids bady tempuratures rise and fall faster than adults and I will be checking the car in a couple of minutes myself. I went and looked a some hooks and went to look at the car after about 2 more minutes and would have gone out but the car was gone. The store lady threw my off my game because in the past I have always gone and stood next to the car and waited for the parent ready to call, and have called, the police after a little bit... windows were UP! Unbelievable.
 
Odd how the brain works.
Yeah, no qualifications what so ever. The gall of the man.
http://psychology.usf.edu/faculty/data/ddiamond_cv.pdf

I could care less what his qualifications are... a parent in a dead sleep will wake at the slightest odd sound from a baby. Parents brains are wired for their baby.

Again, that psychobabble bull**** excuse for forgetting a child is pathetic...
 
I am glad to know you are okay Vesper. I am the same way when it comes to hospitals. Although, I do a bit more insisting. especially with Civilian Hospitals. I can get away with it more there. Not at the VA.

You can't rest in those places unless they totally knock you out or you are so close to death you could care less. They kept offering stuff for pain but I declined. I've been managing pain with Advil. On second thought I probably should have accepted the drugs. Last night I slept really well. There isn't much difference in my condition but I have strict orders to all the doctor if their are any changes. The doc at the hospital gave me his card with his personal number to call if things get worse. I have a specialist I need to get in contact on Monday. I was having an anxiety attack over the fact that my daughter is having major surgery tomorrow and I can't be there for her. Hubby will be going. Docs gave me a prescription for the anxiety, it seems to be working.

I didn't want Hubby to call anyone to let them know I was in the hospital. Especially the kids. One is facing major surgery, the other was on vacation with his family. I didn't think it was necessary for them to know at this time. Well son is home from vacation, and daughter called yesterday and now they know and are upset with me for not telling them. **** you can't win for losing. They made me promise I would never ever do that again........we shall see. :) I have some great kids, a son-in-law I dropped the "in -law a long time ago and that goes for my daughter "in-law". To hell with the in-law part they are my kids. I have a wonderful spouse, loving brother and a couple of old aunties who pray for me daily along with a couple of true friends. I didn't want anyone to know and all are upset that I didn't tell them. Lesson learned.
 
Not very. It doesn't take all that much to go on autopilot and forget if dropping the kid off before work is not part of one's daily routine. Who strapped the kid in makes little difference.

I'm not disputing how horrifying of a mistake it is. How simple of a mistake it is to make is what makes it all the more horrifying, in my opinion. All I'm disputing with you is that you seem to think it must require some criminal degree of neglectfulness or self-centeredness to make. Almost any ordinary parent could make this mistake, including otherwise great parents. That's what makes it so scary.

Have you ever had to get a child ready for day care? It requires getting them up before maybe they are not ready to wake up. They need to be fed breakfast which isn't exactly an easy feat either because if they are cranking no choices will suffice. Then they need to be dressed. Another feat. They fight you on what you want to dress them in. The backpack needs to be packed with all the essentials whether it be gym day or art day. Their blankie for nap time needs to be cleaned regulary and that needs packed also. They are encouraged to bring something to share with others which can take a good amount of time to choose. Then there is the shoe you can not find because they have taken off God knows where so you have a scavenger hunt to locate the needed shoe. Teeth brushed, face washed, hair combed.... By the time you get through all of that BEFORE you strap them into their car seat, it would take someone out to lunch, not to remember their child was in the backseat needing dropped off at day care.
 
I could care less what his qualifications are... a parent in a dead sleep will wake at the slightest odd sound from a baby. Parents brains are wired for their baby.

Again, that psychobabble bull**** excuse for forgetting a child is pathetic...

Your qualifications are? Or is that your personal experience & opinion speaking?
 
Your qualifications are? Or is that your personal experience & opinion speaking?

Qualifications and Appeals to Authority are meaningless in a debate. I am not a lawyer but have won against lawyers the two times I self-represented in court. When I Presented my arguments to the Judge he did not ask my qualifications and when I presented evidence that helped me beat the laywer in one case the Judge thought it was interesting that I knew of this evidence but the other lawyer did not.

In this case, my qualifications are that I am a parent that has never forgotten my children and this "expert" that you sourced claims he would have forgotten his grandchild and his psychobabble bull**** excuse for forgetting a child is pathetic...
 
Qualifications and Appeals to Authority are meaningless in a debate. I am not a lawyer but have won against lawyers the two times I self-represented in court. When I Presented my arguments to the Judge he did not ask my qualifications and when I presented evidence that helped me beat the laywer in one case the Judge thought it was interesting that I knew of this evidence but the other lawyer did not.

In this case, my qualifications are that I am a parent that has never forgotten my children and this "expert" that you sourced claims he would have forgotten his grandchild and his psychobabble bull**** excuse for forgetting a child is pathetic...
Judges will not ask that. if they are comfortable that you know the law and are capable of mounting a defense, fine.
On the other, you refuse to learn
Is it a horrible to lose a child. Yes.
But to label it all psychobabble is well.............your opinion.
No qualifications, no experience in these tragedies, again your opinion.
 
You can't rest in those places unless they totally knock you out or you are so close to death you could care less. They kept offering stuff for pain but I declined. I've been managing pain with Advil. On second thought I probably should have accepted the drugs. Last night I slept really well. There isn't much difference in my condition but I have strict orders to all the doctor if their are any changes. The doc at the hospital gave me his card with his personal number to call if things get worse. I have a specialist I need to get in contact on Monday. I was having an anxiety attack over the fact that my daughter is having major surgery tomorrow and I can't be there for her. Hubby will be going. Docs gave me a prescription for the anxiety, it seems to be working.

I didn't want Hubby to call anyone to let them know I was in the hospital. Especially the kids. One is facing major surgery, the other was on vacation with his family. I didn't think it was necessary for them to know at this time. Well son is home from vacation, and daughter called yesterday and now they know and are upset with me for not telling them. **** you can't win for losing. They made me promise I would never ever do that again........we shall see. :) I have some great kids, a son-in-law I dropped the "in -law a long time ago and that goes for my daughter "in-law". To hell with the in-law part they are my kids. I have a wonderful spouse, loving brother and a couple of old aunties who pray for me daily along with a couple of true friends. I didn't want anyone to know and all are upset that I didn't tell them. Lesson learned.
Crap, I posted this in the wrong thread. My deepest apology. Don't know how I managed that one but evidently I did. So sorry.
 
Judges will not ask that. if they are comfortable that you know the law and are capable of mounting a defense, fine.
On the other, you refuse to learn
Is it a horrible to lose a child. Yes.
But to label it all psychobabble is well.............your opinion.
No qualifications, no experience in these tragedies, again your opinion.

Do you have a valid point? Refuse to learn seems to be your thing here.

Wrong about the Judge and wrong that his opinion is not an opinion...

His opinion is also his opinion because if it were a fact the evidence would be that thousands upon thousands of children a year would be dying in cars and that is not happening. As such, his opinion is psychobabble masquerading as expert. In the end if you want to accept his opinion as a fact that is fine with me but it certainly does not come close to proving a valid argument and yes, when certain lines of questioning occur Judges do in fact ask, if the lawyer has not made it clear, what the witnesses qualifications and expertise are.
 
Crap, I posted this in the wrong thread. My deepest apology. Don't know how I managed that one but evidently I did. So sorry.

Obviously this is a prime example as to how a parent might forget their child locked in a car...
 
Obviously this is a prime example as to how a parent might forget their child locked in a car...
To err is human when you have two threads open at the same time and post in the wrong one is no comparison.

Comparing an mishap over posting in the wrong thread to a parent forgetting a kid in the backseat of his vehicle that HE strapped into the car seat before taking off in his vehicle. That HE went through all the regular scenario all parents with children that work do daily is preposterous .

The guy has a heavy burden to carry the rest of his life because his head wasn't where it should have been.
 
To err is human when you have two threads open at the same time and post in the wrong one is no comparison.

Comparing an mishap over posting in the wrong thread to a parent forgetting a kid in the backseat of his vehicle that HE strapped into the car seat before taking off in his vehicle. That HE went through all the regular scenario all parents with children that work do daily is preposterous .

The guy has a heavy burden to carry the rest of his life because his head wasn't where it should have been.

We are on the same page here and that is why I thought you would know I was being sarcastic...
 
Do you have a valid point? Refuse to learn seems to be your thing here.

Wrong about the Judge and wrong that his opinion is not an opinion...

His opinion is also his opinion because if it were a fact the evidence would be that thousands upon thousands of children a year would be dying in cars and that is not happening. As such, his opinion is psychobabble masquerading as expert. In the end if you want to accept his opinion as a fact that is fine with me but it certainly does not come close to proving a valid argument and yes, when certain lines of questioning occur Judges do in fact ask, if the lawyer has not made it clear, what the witnesses qualifications and expertise are.

Really upset.
Thousands dying, your opinion is taking an experts knowledge of the brain and extrapolating that to make an invalid point.
My thing here. Not sure what the heck that is?
You equate your 2 times in court where you defended yourself in court to be equivalent to an experts opinion. Who gives a rats ass about your court experience?
You can guess where I lay my money.
 
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