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Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

This is true, but people do not need a license or qualifications to have children.

In many places, you can't adopt an abandoned dog or cat without proving that your home is suitable and you are prepared for the responsibility. But anyone, even a 14 year old, can have responsibility for a child.
 
one more reason to not have kids until you've got adequate money saved up and invested. Why CAN"T you afford enough babysitters? cause you were stupid, arrogant and selfish enough to have kids before you could afford to raise them PROPERLY.
 
You aren't following the conversation. JANFU used this guys "expert knowledge" to claim that forgetting your child to die in a car is common because of the way the brain works. The evidence for this being true would be tones of dead children. No way around it because otherwise the kids are not being forgotten. Simple.

Not what I stated buck - Still cannot get it right now can ya.
Never stated it was common - you did.
Do not twist what I posted.

Bring me in to a discussion, at least have the gumption to tie it onto one of my posts.
 
A study someone did says its ok if you kill your children as long as you forget.

Who said it was OK. Who, no one, the brain we have is just now being understood in the way it works. From stress, to overriding bad memories, to having triggers that cause those memories to surface, sometimes in bits and pieces.
No one justifies this tragedy, yet when bring forth the science behind why, they are pilloried.
 
1. Not what I stated buck - Still cannot get it right now can ya.
2. Never stated it was common - you did.
3. Do not twist what I posted.

4. Bring me in to a discussion, at least have the gumption to tie it onto one of my posts.

1. Sure is skippy... and I sure have, based off of the argument that you have provided, at least.

Professor of molecular physiology at the University of South Florida David Diamond - If you’re capable of forgetting your cellphone, you are potentially capable of forgetting your child.”

Forgetting your cell phone, keys, etc is pretty "common". Forgetting you child is not. You can play with "potential" all you like though... Fact is forgetting your child is NOT analogous to forgetting your cell phone in any realistic definition of the term.

To further compound this guys, you your problem, he goes on to say: while driving to the mall, that his infant granddaughter was asleep in the back of the car. He remembered only because his wife, sitting beside him, mentioned the baby.

He forgot his grandchild like forgetting his cell phone. A child is not a cell phone. A child is a significant and distinct thing to a parent than some "thing". Yes, they can and have forgotten the child and the child has died but that is not common as this guy tries to explain and as you want to portray in giving these parents a pass, or whatever your motive is.

2. I never stated that you stated it was common. I stated that you, "used this guys "expert knowledge" to claim that forgetting your child to die in a car is common" based off the fact that this guy compares forgetting your child to forgetting a cell phone.
3. I did not twist what you said
4. I did tie it to one of your posts for ****s sake...
 
one more reason to not have kids until you've got adequate money saved up and invested. Why CAN"T you afford enough babysitters? cause you were stupid, arrogant and selfish enough to have kids before you could afford to raise them PROPERLY.

You need to learn to quote people properly because your random posts to nobody will eventually be overlooked and ignored...
 
1. Sure is skippy... and I sure have, based off of the argument that you have provided, at least.

Professor of molecular physiology at the University of South Florida David Diamond - If you’re capable of forgetting your cellphone, you are potentially capable of forgetting your child.”

Forgetting your cell phone, keys, etc is pretty "common". Forgetting you child is not. You can play with "potential" all you like though... Fact is forgetting your child is NOT analogous to forgetting your cell phone in any realistic definition of the term.

To further compound this guys, you your problem, he goes on to say: while driving to the mall, that his infant granddaughter was asleep in the back of the car. He remembered only because his wife, sitting beside him, mentioned the baby.

He forgot his grandchild like forgetting his cell phone. A child is not a cell phone. A child is a significant and distinct thing to a parent than some "thing". Yes, they can and have forgotten the child and the child has died but that is not common as this guy tries to explain and as you want to portray in giving these parents a pass, or whatever your motive is.

2. I never stated that you stated it was common. I stated that you, "used this guys "expert knowledge" to claim that forgetting your child to die in a car is common" based off the fact that this guy compares forgetting your child to forgetting a cell phone.
3. I did not twist what you said
4. I did tie it to one of your posts for ****s sake...

Bullcrap- Read the article and quote where he stated it was common to leave a child in a car to die.
Where did you tie it in?

Try looking at 119 and rebutting that.
 
Bullcrap- Read the article and quote where he stated it was common to leave a child in a car to die.

I just quoted how he said it is like forgetting your cell phone. That is very common. Many people do that every day here, there and everywhere. Go to a lost and found for things like that then see how many babies were forgotten. Not lost children that wandered off in a crowd at Disneyland, but forgotten.

Where did you tie it in?

By referencing you and your posts... am I missing something because it seems LITERALLY that obvious.
 
Who said it was OK. Who, no one, the brain we have is just now being understood in the way it works. From stress, to overriding bad memories, to having triggers that cause those memories to surface, sometimes in bits and pieces.
No one justifies this tragedy, yet when bring forth the science behind why, they are pilloried.

Yea people are justifying what happened by using the excuse of science said so and attempting to absolve her of responsibility.
 
Nope- You won based upon researching the law, case law and past precedents, that is what I am assuming. Happy for ya.
Far off the mark, nope.


No, you have not shown any studies to counter the point. You are using yourself, your experience to bolster your claim.


Nope again, he did not state that.
He stated due to certain clear circumstances it can happen. Reason why we do not have mass deaths from incidents such as this, they meet clearly defined circumstances, with defined parameters. You clearly missed that. And jump to the mass deaths should be occurring. Read it again.

This is what he stated
Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post


Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post




You know this how. Your opinion, right, your personal experience, right.
Lastly- the court analogy does not equate to how a brain operates.
Not even close enough to get a ceegar.

I'll get to this soon but it looks to be already addressed upon skimming it...
 
Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school
In case it is absolutely clear:
It's not the cars that killed these children, it's the parents and their absent mindedness.
The article gives a couple other examples of children dying in hot cars, and it seems that in all those cases, no one intended on leaving their children in the cars, thinking it was safe. Rather, the parents simply forgot their children were in the car. Parents must take care of their child! MUST.

It is so easy to say this would never happen to you, but I remember planning a dinner party and had to go to the market and get my three kids out of the pool. I gave them dimes to ride the the toys outside. I came out, got in my car and headed out and realized they were not with me. This was not a closed car, but then I was lucky, wasn't I?
 
Yea people are justifying what happened by using the excuse of science said so and attempting to absolve her of responsibility.
Oh she is responsible and the hell she is going thru, well......and she knows that.
No one is absolving her of responsibility.
No one justified it. It was pointed out numerous times how a brain works.
 
I just quoted how he said it is like forgetting your cell phone. That is very common. Many people do that every day here, there and everywhere. Go to a lost and found for things like that then see how many babies were forgotten. Not lost children that wandered off in a crowd at Disneyland, but forgotten.



By referencing you and your posts... am I missing something because it seems LITERALLY that obvious.
Not god enough- Cherry picking - answer the points i asked.
 
I'll get to this soon but it looks to be already addressed upon skimming it...

That is how you make so called informed decisions, skimming it. Good to know
 
My kids are with grandma and my child is dying in the backseat of my car because X are not the same thing. Regardless of what you believe as to if it is possible for a parent to forget their children, even if she did happen to forget that she was killing this kid, in the end her actions, her negligence caused the death of this child. Feeling bad isn't a punishment. If your negligence causes death, it is a crime and I hope this woman rots in prison for a very long time for this.

You said that people don't ever not know where their children are. Even told someone to ask any parent. I am a parent and I know how my brain works to at least some degree. I know what I've told people and, although I've never personally forgotten my children somewhere dangerous, I have forgot who they were with when asked or where exactly they were (hell I "lost" my son while breastfeeding him one time, kept asking my family where my son was and they kept pointing out the older one, because no one thought I could be talking about the youngest, who was attached to my breast at that moment, our brains don't always give us the right clues or connect them the right way). Even good parents forget where their children are sometimes or don't think about their children for long portions of time if they believe that their children are where they are supposed to be, somewhere safe.
 
This story sums it up so well.

I Accidentally Left My Child In The Car

It isn't bad parents that forget their children in the car, but simply parents, humans. Parents are humans too. They can make major mistakes.

As for the years thing, prior to the 1990s, where did children normally sit when they were with someone in a car? In the front. We used to fight over who got to sit up front. Hell, I remember being about 4 years old, and sitting in the front seat with my great aunt at a light, playing with the lock on the door, no seatbelt, let alone a booster/car seat (which most states now mandate booster seats until 6 and/or 60 lbs or 8 and/or 80 lbs, and they must be in the back seat til they are 10/12, depending on state). The door popped open on me, and I fell out. Sure, I'd not likely have been left in the car by mistake (although I might have been left inside on purpose while my caregiver went to do something), but I also could have been killed by a car if that light hadn't have stayed red long enough to get me back in the car.
 
Until the last 10-20 years or so, I never remember hearing of a parent forgetting a child. I never knew anyone who was accidentally left somewhere (with the exception of the movie Home Alone, which was supposed to be a farce). I never knew of anyone getting left on vacation, in the mall, in the hairdresser....nothing. If this phenomena is physical, I'd like to know how often this happened in history? Can anyone name a single instance of a famous story of some infant being simply left somewhere because the parents "forgot" about him/her?

How about forgetting your child on the roof of your car?

snopes.com: Baby Left on Car Roof

In July 1980, six-week-old Brian Kornbach was left in his infant seat on top of the family car while the adults switched places in the front seat. The child was found by a roadside in Queens by a passerby who took the injured infant to the hospital. His parents did not notice they'd failed to bring their son in off the roof until they were somewhere in the Bronx.
Read more at snopes.com: Baby Left on Car Roof

And according to snopes, that is just a one of about 14 incidents like it that happened prior to 1993.
 
My kids are with grandma and my child is dying in the backseat of my car because X are not the same thing. Regardless of what you believe as to if it is possible for a parent to forget their children, even if she did happen to forget that she was killing this kid, in the end her actions, her negligence caused the death of this child. Feeling bad isn't a punishment. If your negligence causes death, it is a crime and I hope this woman rots in prison for a very long time for this.

Forgetting is not negligence. It isn't as simple as "that is negligence and that is a crime". Our laws do not work that way.
 
Forgetting is not negligence. It isn't as simple as "that is negligence and that is a crime". Our laws do not work that way.

You're saying that leaving a child in a vehicle to die should not, in itself, be a crime? In other words, the result itself is not enough to warrant criminal prosecution?
 
This story sums it up so well.

I Accidentally Left My Child In The Car

It isn't bad parents that forget their children in the car, but simply parents, humans. Parents are humans too. They can make major mistakes.

As for the years thing, prior to the 1990s, where did children normally sit when they were with someone in a car? In the front. We used to fight over who got to sit up front. Hell, I remember being about 4 years old, and sitting in the front seat with my great aunt at a light, playing with the lock on the door, no seatbelt, let alone a booster/car seat (which most states now mandate booster seats until 6 and/or 60 lbs or 8 and/or 80 lbs, and they must be in the back seat til they are 10/12, depending on state). The door popped open on me, and I fell out. Sure, I'd not likely have been left in the car by mistake (although I might have been left inside on purpose while my caregiver went to do something), but I also could have been killed by a car if that light hadn't have stayed red long enough to get me back in the car.

Yes, being human means to err. There's an old saying "To err is human-to blame it on someone (something else) is even more human."

Some in this thread have tried to make the case about how sometimes the brain can misfire giving excuses for the mother who forgot about her child in the car. Others have been less than compassionate and see the mother as a murderer of her child.

Bottom line....to err is human but at the end of the day, we alone bear the consequences for our actions, our errs. Sadly, because of this mother's absentmindedness her child baked to its death in the backseat of a vehicle while mommy went and tended to a classroom of other children.

Moms wear many hats. They are first aid medics, cooks, bottle washers, housekeepers, wives, taxi drivers, errand gals, nurturers, cheerleaders, etc. and often balancing a career through it all. But......the child that they have been given should always take top priority. If they are so pre-occupied with everything else over their child, then they are doing it wrong. And no, there wasn't a day I worked while I was away from my children that I did not think of them. Which blows my mind to think this woman, did not have any recall in 9 hours that she had forgot to drop her child off at day care. That is someone with their head up their ass.

To err is human, blame it on someone or something else is even more human. Sorry, there are consequences for our actions. And my hope is through this tragedy and those like them that parents will come to the realization the need to keep their priorities straight.
 
You're saying that leaving a child in a vehicle to die should not, in itself, be a crime? In other words, the result itself is not enough to warrant criminal prosecution?

Intentionally leaving or accidentally forgetting? It shouldn't be and isn't always a crime (many who have forgotten their child in the car are not charged, others have had charges dismissed or been acquitted). I am a firm believer in intentions and actions being very important to whether something should be a crime or not, and especially in determining punishment.
 
Yes, being human means to err. There's an old saying "To err is human-to blame it on someone (something else) is even more human."

Some in this thread have tried to make the case about how sometimes the brain can misfire giving excuses for the mother who forgot about her child in the car. Others have been less than compassionate and see the mother as a murderer of her child.

Bottom line....to err is human but at the end of the day, we alone bear the consequences for our actions, our errs. Sadly, because of this mother's absentmindedness her child baked to its death in the backseat of a vehicle while mommy went and tended to a classroom of other children.

Moms wear many hats. They are first aid medics, cooks, bottle washers, housekeepers, wives, taxi drivers, errand gals, nurturers, cheerleaders, etc. and often balancing a career through it all. But......the child that they have been given should always take top priority. If they are so pre-occupied with everything else over their child, then they are doing it wrong. And no, there wasn't a day I worked while I was away from my children that I did not think of them. Which blows my mind to think this woman, did not have any recall in 9 hours that she had forgot to drop her child off at day care. That is someone with their head up their ass.

To err is human, blame it on someone or something else is even more human. Sorry, there are consequences for our actions. And my hope is through this tragedy and those like them that parents will come to the realization the need to keep their priorities straight.

This is simply not how reality, even psychology works. We want to not only place blame, but insist on explicit punishment for far more than necessary circumstances. Almost anytime someone dies. It is one thing if there is intent to do harm or true gross negligence (drinking and driving), but another if it is a mistake that anyone can make, even if the result is absolutely tragic.
 
This is simply not how reality, even psychology works. We want to not only place blame, but insist on explicit punishment for far more than necessary circumstances. Almost anytime someone dies. It is one thing if there is intent to do harm or true gross negligence (drinking and driving), but another if it is a mistake that anyone can make, even if the result is absolutely tragic.

No Roguenuke, not everyone makes such a tragic mistake. Very few do. And those few who do face consequences for their negligence. Period.
 
No Roguenuke, not everyone makes such a tragic mistake. Very few do. And those few who do face consequences for their negligence. Period.

Everyone doesn't make that mistake, but almost anyone can. And without knowing yourself very well, you can't know for sure if you are going to be the one to make that mistake. Many more forget their child than end up facing the consequence of having their child die on them. But, in general, those children who are remembered before tragedy strikes are lucky that something provided that clue to someone that they needed to remember or simply help the child.

And yes they all face some consequence for their forgetfulness.
 
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