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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm sure that the prosecutor could get a conviction for negligent homicide.

    In any case this person should never be responsible for taking care of children again, ever.

    I wouldn't hire her to walk my dog.
    Agree 100%. Forgetting about a child and letting her die is about the most irresponsible thing a parent could do. To just shrug it off as an honest mistake is insanity.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It's not any different for the child which is dead in its grave, is it?

    Whether it's deliberate murder or negligent homicide the child is just as dead.
    And we should really look at why we are placing blame. Is it because we seek justice or because we feel the need to blame someone? I personally feel that too often we simply wish to place blame rather than really be seeking justice. I believe that intention is very important here. Is it negligent homicide when a child dies of SIDS, even if it possibly could have been avoided, or at least some think it could have been?

    Actually, the difference between negligent homicide and murder in these sort of cases would be purposely leaving your child in the car (negligent homicide) with every intention of coming back to get them but not getting back out in time and purposely leaving the child outside knowing that the child would die that way (murder), which is why the guy in Georgia is being charged with murder, not negligent homicide, because they don't believe that he simply forgot his son or left him out in the car on purpose thinking he would be fine til he got back out there.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It's not any different for the child which is dead in its grave, is it?

    Whether it's deliberate murder or negligent homicide the child is just as dead.
    That's true; he or she is just as dead.

    And the child's parents will suffer for the rest of their lives. How do you live every day of the rest of your life with the knowledge that you were responsible for the death of your child?

    Earlier in the thread, I posted a link to a very thoughtful Washington Post article that details a few cases and will provide it again despite my cynical expectation that it won't be read: Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post

    Most people, thank heavens, have no first-hand knowledge of living with the death of a child. This is such a "but for the grace of God" blessing. Whether that child died of natural causes or by his own hand or by misadventure, people are so eager to pass judgment. I'm glad that juries aren't so eager to punish.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Well there are too many infants dying in the back seat, and I never read about any dying from an accident in the front seat in a proper infant seat the entire time I had children who rode in the front seat in child/infant seats which spanned about 8 years between my two children. And I NEVER heard about a child being left in the car to die in the heat, not one. Since the move of seats to the back, there are 4 or 5 a year of the latter.
    Well you would have to get the car manufacturers to change the design of passenger side air bags or remove them completely.

    Do you think that is possible?

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    This is why the new-ish (newer than when mine were infants), that infants and their infant seats have to be in the back seat is such a bad idea. It's much easier to not see and hence forget a quiet sleeping infant in the back seat, and usually an infant will fall asleep in a moving vehicle.
    Yeah no kidding. Plus under two you have to keep them rear-facing, so you often don't see them in the rear view mirror. I don't live in a warm climate but as the parent of a toddler stories like this make me feel sick. I know it would be so easy to forget your child is in the car. It's not neglectful absentmindedness, it's really easy to do. Parents of young kids who are juggling jobs and daycare have to coordinate and change up their plans constantly, and when you make the same drive every day, you go into autopilot. It would be extremely easy to forget.

    You should be able to just disable the passenger side airbag and put the car seat up there. Regulators often dwell on the wrong kind of risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Well you would have to get the car manufacturers to change the design of passenger side air bags or remove them completely.

    Do you think that is possible?
    We're almost to the point that we have cars that can drive themselves. The technology to disable a passenger airbag doesn't seem too space age to me.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    "I'm sorry your honor. It's just that I was so busy and I forgot him in there! With all this work I'm doing, I'm so scatterbrained!"

    Judge's most probable response (in his mind), "What a load of ****ing horse-****. You're ass is getting thrown in jail."

    Most people's response, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    That you try and rationalize for something like this is almost ****ing inferior.
    People do forget, hard to rationalize, of course it is due to a preventable death.
    Cases like this are far too common.
    And as Helix noted, they parent will live with this till they die.
    Todayís parent has more on the go than my parents did.
    Ever hear of a family on a trip, thinking all the kids were in the car only to find out 60 miles later 1 was not?

    The parents will most likely end up divorcing over this.
    My heart goes out to them.

    Perhaps you should consider the parents who knowingly leave their children in a car then out they go for a few minutes, only to return to find the car stolen, or the child missing.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I feel for her pain.

    But I don't see this as luck.

    My kids never got left in cars, because I don't do that. It's that simple.

    This isn't the luck of someone running a red-light, or a plane crashing into your house.

    This is forgetting your child in a car, and it's statistically rare for good reason - because parents rarely do it!

    I honestly cannot guess what was on her mind that she could forget her kid all day?

    But regardless, I don't see how anyone cannot see her as negligent towards her child.
    One case was where they Parent had certain days to drop off for day care. This routine ran for a number of years. Well a change had to be made, circumstances made it so for 1 day.
    It was not the fatherís normal day to drop off at day care.
    He went to work, as per his routine and forgot the child was in the car.
    Yes, the child died.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Yes, yes it is. Sorry, I hoped it was obvious
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    One case was where they Parent had certain days to drop off for day care. This routine ran for a number of years. Well a change had to be made, circumstances made it so for 1 day.
    It was not the fatherís normal day to drop off at day care.
    He went to work, as per his routine and forgot the child was in the car.
    Yes, the child died.
    I suspect that is most commonly how these thing happen.

    I've also seen an occasional local cases involving drugs and/or alcohol - but I live on the edge of a large city that has it's share of social problems, and I'm not claiming nor blaming this latter scenario as predominate.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I suspect that is most commonly how these thing happen.

    I've also seen an occasional local cases involving drugs and/or alcohol - but I live on the edge of a large city that has it's share of social problems, and I'm not claiming nor blaming this latter scenario as predominate.
    Did you read the link that was posted by another Member?
    You should.
    Here it is in case you wish to.

    Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post
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