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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Spot on.



    Look, I don't want to sound self righteous, but I'm going to anyway. If you don't want to read a self righteous rant, stop right now.

    I have a 6 year old, and a 3 year. I work 60+ hours per week, as does my wife. My 3 year old is in pre school for special ed, hearing difficulties. My 6 year old is in kindergarten. She also does soccer. I have more going on in my life than I ever have before. As evidenced by the frequency and multitude of my posts here. And yet, with all of that, I have never once, not even CLOSE, come to the point of forgetting that my kids are in the car with me. Ever. Not once come close to forgetting they are in the car when I leave the car. Now, I'm not gonna say these parents do this crap on PURPOSE. But maybe...leave the cellphone home every now and then. Unplug. Remove the distractions.


    BE A GOD DAMN PARENT.
    You simply can't remove all distractions. This started happening in the 90s, before cell phones existed. It has little to do with cell phones, and so much to do with how people think. You simply can't change everyone, but you can provide more things to try to prevent it, alerts or something. Hell, a cell phone app on this might actually help. Figure out an app that sends an alert to you as soon as you reach your destination. Everyone might not use it but combined with other things, such as a car sensor, it could help. Saying "well be a good parent" simply isn't going to work. Not everyone is the same, people don't have minds that work the same way.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    We should pass a law to make it illegal to leave your children inside your car. A "Child alone in car" Ban. That will surely fix this.
    Please tell me this is sarcasm.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I think a better idea might be to start having cars equipped with sensors of some sort that tell you when a child is strapped into the car/car seat before you get out. Some sort of alarm, like the alert telling you your seat belt isn't buckled or the door isn't closed or your lights are still on.

    And you are right, they didn't get left in the car nearly as often when so many laws about where children safety seats should be placed or in what direction they had to be in existed, but that doesn't mean those laws aren't worth it too.
    And there's already a car seat monitor that alerts smart phones, so the technology already exists: Cars-N-Kids | Integrated iAlert Seat Monitor The KidsAndCars.org wants all vehicles equipped with an alarm that alerts drivers that a child has been left in the car.

    Here are some of that org's stats:

    Statistics
     2011 Child vehicular heat stroke deaths: 33
     2010 Child vehicular heat stroke deaths: 49 (highest number of fatalities in one year‐‐ever)
     2009 Child vehicular heat stroke deaths: 33
     1991‐2011 Child vehicular heat stroke deaths: at least 613
     Average number of child vehicular heat stroke deaths per year since 1998: 38 (one every 9 days)

    Circumstances
    • Unknowingly left in vehicle: 54.25% • Knowingly left in vehicle: 11.94%
    • Got into vehicle on their own: 31.58% • Circumstance Unknown: 1.82%

    Contributing Factors
    A child’s body temperature rises 3‐5 times faster than an adult’s. Even with the windows partially down, the
    temperature inside a parked car can reach 125 degrees in just minutes. Leaving the windows opened slightly does not
    significantly slow the heating process or decrease the maximum temperature attained.

    There are several factors that contribute to children being inadvertently forgotten by care givers. Paramount is the
    fact that our brains are not keeping up with the demands of our busy lives. The most common factors include a change in one’s normal routine, lack of sleep, stress, fatigue, distractions and hormone changes. When these factors combine, the ability for the brain to multi‐task is diminished.

    As parents know, life with newborns and small children is full of stress, sleep deprivation and distractions. And young children, especially babies, often fall asleep in their car seats; becoming quiet, unobtrusive little passengers. And sadly, for babies with rear‐facing seats, the seat looks the same from the front seat – whether occupied or not.

    Vehicular heat stroke is largely misunderstood by the general public. The majority of parents would like to believe that they could never “forget” their child in a vehicle. The most dangerous mistake a parent or caregiver can make is to think it cannot happen to them or their family.

    In well over 50% of these cases, the person responsible for the child’s death unknowingly left them in the vehicle. It happens to the most loving, protective parents. It has happened to a teacher, pediatrician, dentist, postal clerk, social worker, police officer, nurse, clergyman, electrician, accountant, soldier, assistant principal, and even a rocket scientist. It can happen to anyone. http://www.kidsandcars.org/userfiles...fact-sheet.pdf

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You simply can't remove all distractions. This started happening in the 90s, before cell phones existed. It has little to do with cell phones, and so much to do with how people think. You simply can't change everyone, but you can provide more things to try to prevent it, alerts or something. Hell, a cell phone app on this might actually help. Figure out an app that sends an alert to you as soon as you reach your destination. Everyone might not use it but combined with other things, such as a car sensor, it could help. Saying "well be a good parent" simply isn't going to work. Not everyone is the same, people don't have minds that work the same way.
    Different minds is the only thing that kept my rant from being guilt free, to be honest. I get that. Not all minds are like mine. As evidenced by my wife, who regularly infuriates me, lol. Never the less, I HAVE to say, the frequency of this is starting to disturb me, when I consider that it's never once been a problem for me. Projection, yes, I know. But. There have been times when I have arrived at work and not really recalled the drive there. Like, whoa, I'm at work all of a sudden...how did that happen? And yet, never, has my mind lapsed where my kid's are concerned.


    So, I'm sorry, but I simply can't bring myself to see this story, and the many others like it, from the perspective of the offending parents. I think this boils down to...go back to basics. Remove distractions.



    I literally tell work that I will be taking a week off from the cell phone. That I will only be reached via home phone, and that all other call should be directed to so and so. Maybe it's time others think about doing the same.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Please tell me this is sarcasm.
    It reads as sarcasm. Looks like it, anyway.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Please tell me this is sarcasm.
    Yes, yes it is. Sorry, I hoped it was obvious
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    This should be a murder charge, or at the very least, manslaughter.
    There is no excuse for 'forgetting' a child - or a pet - in a car. None, zilch, zip, nada.


    I'm sure that the prosecutor could get a conviction for negligent homicide.

    In any case this person should never be responsible for taking care of children again, ever.

    I wouldn't hire her to walk my dog.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm sure that the prosecutor could get a conviction for negligent homicide.

    In any case this person should never be responsible for taking care of children again, ever.

    I wouldn't hire her to walk my dog.
    Actually, it is not all that likely that the prosecutor could get a conviction even if he/she decided to pursue it (about half don't press charges in these cases without other circumstances, drugs, alcohol, gambling, or evidence that it might have been on purpose).

    State: Leaving child in a hot car not always a crime

    It is very rare for a parent/caregiver who did not purposely leave the child in the car to be charged, convicted, and severely punished for doing so (from what I can find, it appears that without some other mitigating factors, probation seems to be the worst punishment if a person is convicted for forgetting their child in the car, which is different than purposely leaving your child in the car).
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Yes, yes it is. Sorry, I hoped it was obvious
    I just couldn't tell. Probably the nature of this thread that is throwing me off on judging people's responses.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, it is not all that likely that the prosecutor could get a conviction even if he/she decided to pursue it (about half don't press charges in these cases without other circumstances, drugs, alcohol, gambling, or evidence that it might have been on purpose).

    State: Leaving child in a hot car not always a crime

    It is very rare for a parent/caregiver who did not purposely leave the child in the car to be charged, convicted, and severely punished for doing so (from what I can find, it appears that without some other mitigating factors, probation seems to be the worst punishment if a person is convicted for forgetting their child in the car,
    which is different than purposely leaving your child in the car)
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    It's not any different for the child which is dead in its grave, is it?

    Whether it's deliberate murder or negligent homicide the child is just as dead.

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