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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The point is, the brain can override that. Taking the wrong turn and forgetting the child in the car is the same dynamic. Many times the parent that leaves the kid in the car is not the parent that takes the kid at that time.
    If it is not something that you do regularly, your routine is already broken. You've gotten a child ready to go, which early in the morning in not usually an easy feat, and you took her to your car, strapped her in, and probably heard her at least initially. And during that time, whatever her plan to do with that child was in her mind. You don't leave the house to go to work with an 18 month old child if you don't have plan for someone to watch that child.

    And simply forgetting that you have children is not a realistic suggestion here. I have been at work for a few hours today, i am well into my regular routine. I remember I am a parent. I know exactly where my children are, I know who is caring for them. Killing a child and then saying oops I forgot doesn't fly in my book. I hope to see this woman charged, and I hope she does pretty serious time. This is no different than parents who forgot to take their kids were in the bath, or forgot to put up the pills so the kid wouldn't ingest them, or forgot to not murder your kids and stuff them in a freezer, or forgot I took my kids to the park, or forgot there is a street in front of my house.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    If it is not something that you do regularly, your routine is already broken. You've gotten a child ready to go, which early in the morning in not usually an easy feat, and you took her to your car, strapped her in, and probably heard her at least initially. And during that time, whatever her plan to do with that child was in her mind. You don't leave the house to go to work with an 18 month old child if you don't have plan for someone to watch that child.

    And simply forgetting that you have children is not a realistic suggestion here. I have been at work for a few hours today, i am well into my regular routine. I remember I am a parent. I know exactly where my children are, I know who is caring for them. Killing a child and then saying oops I forgot doesn't fly in my book. I hope to see this woman charged, and I hope she does pretty serious time. This is no different than parents who forgot to take their kids were in the bath, or forgot to put up the pills so the kid wouldn't ingest them, or forgot to not murder your kids and stuff them in a freezer, or forgot I took my kids to the park, or forgot there is a street in front of my house.
    People say this, but the science says you're wrong. The article was linked several times in this thread already.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People say this, but the science says you're wrong. The article was linked several times in this thread already.
    Ask around to parents you know. See how many can tell you where their children are, especially young children. See how many know they have kids. Its not something you forget.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Ask around to parents you know. See how many can tell you where their children are, especially young children. See how many know they have kids. Its not something you forget.
    Let me know when you have scientific data and statistic to back that up.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Let me know when you have scientific data and statistic to back that up.
    It is common sense. Conduct a study with those you know. Parents don't forget they have kids. Decent parents know where their 18 month old is. Even less than decent parents know who is watching their kid. People dont forget their children.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Ask around to parents you know. See how many can tell you where their children are, especially young children. See how many know they have kids. Its not something you forget.
    It's not about "knowing you have kids". Ask them where their children are in the middle of a work day, but on a day where they changed routines. Maybe grandma or an aunt is taking them for the day rather than having their normal nanny. The very first thing many will say is "they are with so-and-so, their nanny" the majority of the time. They may correct that after with "no, wait, they are with their grandmother/aunt today". Unless they have that cue though, they won't think about the difference. I am a mother and I've said this before to people who asked "who has your kids" when there was a change in routine (such as when their grandmother was here but their uncle, our nanny, was not, a couple of weeks ago).
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is common sense. Conduct a study with those you know. Parents don't forget they have kids. Decent parents know where their 18 month old is. Even less than decent parents know who is watching their kid. People dont forget their children.
    No one forgot they had kids by leaving them in the car. They do forget they have children in certain places though if it is different than their normal routine. My mother used to forget me a lot when I first started staying after school in high school. Sometimes it would take her hours to remember that I was still at school. She had 5 other children at home, and I was the quiet one anyway. (Before cell phones)
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's not about "knowing you have kids". Ask them where their children are in the middle of a work day, but on a day where they changed routines. Maybe grandma or an aunt is taking them for the day rather than having their normal nanny. The very first thing many will say is "they are with so-and-so, their nanny" the majority of the time. They may correct that after with "no, wait, they are with their grandmother/aunt today". Unless they have that cue though, they won't think about the difference. I am a mother and I've said this before to people who asked "who has your kids" when there was a change in routine (such as when their grandmother was here but their uncle, our nanny, was not, a couple of weeks ago).
    My kids are with grandma and my child is dying in the backseat of my car because X are not the same thing. Regardless of what you believe as to if it is possible for a parent to forget their children, even if she did happen to forget that she was killing this kid, in the end her actions, her negligence caused the death of this child. Feeling bad isn't a punishment. If your negligence causes death, it is a crime and I hope this woman rots in prison for a very long time for this.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is common sense. Conduct a study with those you know. Parents don't forget they have kids. Decent parents know where their 18 month old is. Even less than decent parents know who is watching their kid. People dont forget their children.
    Common sense tends to be neither common nor sensical. It is typically built off of false significance.

    So again, let me know when you have the scientific data and statistics to back up your claim, as scientists have already reported how these lapses occur.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Ask around to parents you know. See how many can tell you where their children are, especially young children. See how many know they have kids. Its not something you forget.
    Until the last 10-20 years or so, I never remember hearing of a parent forgetting a child. I never knew anyone who was accidentally left somewhere (with the exception of the movie Home Alone, which was supposed to be a farce). I never knew of anyone getting left on vacation, in the mall, in the hairdresser....nothing. If this phenomena is physical, I'd like to know how often this happened in history? Can anyone name a single instance of a famous story of some infant being simply left somewhere because the parents "forgot" about him/her?
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