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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, we had a party on Saturday for the Belmont and one of the couples is the one who lost their 9 year old to leukemia. I talked to the wife and she is anything but empathetic to that woman. In fact, it's the opposite. She's disgusted and appalled.

    And if there are groups that sit around patting the backs of people whose irresponsible actions resulted in the deaths of their innocent children, I'll pass. If I was ever ignorant enough to let one of my kids roast to death in a car because I "forgot" he was in there, I'd kill myself because I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I wouldn't expect people who walked to their ends of the earth to save their children to be empathetic to me.

    You can be disgusted and appalled and also horrified...and yet still have compassion.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In their mind, their child is almost certainly where they are every day, in day care, with the other parent, wherever they normally would be because there is no "clue" that there is a difference. In fact, that is how at least some of the people do remember, they get that "clue" that tells them that they made the terrible mistake of forgetting their child. We don't think about our kids on a regular basis is we normally trust that they are somewhere safe.

    And the fact that this mother will live with this every day, this horrible mistake, is why I don't feel that she or those like her, who simply forget, should face criminal charges. That is their punishment, and it is far worse than going to prison or having a criminal record (now, this doesn't go for those who did it on purpose, either leaving their child in the car on purpose or actually trying to kill the child this way, as is suspected the one father was). Some of these parents try to kill themselves, face major depression, relationship problems, and just so many things because of their guilt.
    Yes the burden this mother carries with her due to her negligence is great. But we are also a land of laws. The person behind the wheel of a car and in his carelessness hits another vehicle that results in the death of another, do they not face manslaughter charges? They didn't set out to kill anyone but because of their recklessness, their absent mindlessness, their poor judgment has consequences.

    You see there are real consequences for our actions, some by law others by the prison of guilt this mother will live with the rest of her life.

    It is a damn sad situation. An absolute tragedy.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes the burden this mother carries with her due to her negligence is great. But we are also a land of laws. The person behind the wheel of a car and in his carelessness hits another vehicle that results in the death of another, do they not face manslaughter charges? They didn't set out to kill anyone but because of their recklessness, their absent mindlessness, their poor judgment has consequences.

    You see there are real consequences for our actions, some by law others by the prison of guilt this mother will live with the rest of her life.

    It is a damn sad situation. An absolute tragedy.
    Actually, whether the person is charged with the death of the other person depends on whether the driver was doing something that could be considered reckless. For example, no one was charged in the death of Dale Earnhardt, who was killed while driving a race car in a race, and another driver bumped him, which broke his neck. Usually it requires mitigating factors, such as drugs, alcohol, wreckless driving, or speeding, to result in manslaughter charges from having someone die in a car accident.

    Driving Deaths and Manslaughter

    The circumstances of the situation are taken into account for most such situations. In pretty much all cases of vehicular manslaughter though, you would have to be breaking another law pertaining to rules of the road to qualify for that charge. And in some states or areas, the person doesn't get charged even if they were breaking a minor road law.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It's the lack of empathy that bothers me. I remember writing a letter to the editor over 20 years ago complaining about a reporter's article about a local tragedy--young parents holding the baby on a lap in the front seat, wreck, baby thrown out and killed. The reporter took the parents to task about not restraining the baby. The reporter's job wasn't to editorialize and sit in judgment.

    What I said in my letter I'll say to you: You don't think the parents know they screwed up? You don't think they're suffering? You don't think that the greatest challenge of the rest of their lives will be learning to live with the consequences of their carelessness?

    Have a little compassion here and be grateful that cannot imagine what it's like to lose your own child, much less by your own fault.
    In all honesty, any sympathy I might have for the parent gets summarily cut off when I picture what it must have been like for the baby.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You can be disgusted and appalled and also horrified...and yet still have compassion.
    I do have compassion. For the baby who roasted to death in that car because of her mother's irresponsible behavior.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    In all honesty, any sympathy I might have for the parent gets summarily cut off when I picture what it must have been like for the baby.
    I understand why any and all would feel this way--such a stupid and ghastly tragedy. But part of trying to "love thine enemies" may be feeling sorrow and empathy for the parent who must bear the responsibility and guilt for the rest of his or her life.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Midney View Post
    Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school
    In case it is absolutely clear:
    It's not the cars that killed these children, it's the parents and their absent mindedness.
    The article gives a couple other examples of children dying in hot cars, and it seems that in all those cases, no one intended on leaving their children in the cars, thinking it was safe. Rather, the parents simply forgot their children were in the car. Parents must take care of their child! MUST.
    I have a sister in law who lived in fear of forgetting her child in the car so she developed a clever habit. When she got in the car to go anywhere she would put her left shoe in the back seat. It's hard to forget you aren't wearing a shoe, especially in a Washington DC summer where parking lots are about a million degrees.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    What a smart idea. And already there are "smart" car seats, so somebody's going to use the technology to come up with some "failsafe." And a national PSA campaign would be great.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    I have a hard time believing this can happen as an accident. I understand it is possible, but i have a hard time believing it. Even if it were an accident, this woman caused her child's death due to her own negligence. I read that no charges have been pressed against her. As least not as of the writing of the article I have read. At the very least she should be charged with child endangerment or manslaughter or something. Intentionally or not, she killed this child, and this child suffered a terrible death.
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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Here is a link posted several times now in this thread that would be helpful to read: Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post

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