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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Not very. It doesn't take all that much to go on autopilot and forget if dropping the kid off before work is not part of one's daily routine. Who strapped the kid in makes little difference.

    I'm not disputing how horrifying of a mistake it is. How simple of a mistake it is to make is what makes it all the more horrifying, in my opinion. All I'm disputing with you is that you seem to think it must require some criminal degree of neglectfulness or self-centeredness to make. Almost any ordinary parent could make this mistake, including otherwise great parents. That's what makes it so scary.
    Have you ever had to get a child ready for day care? It requires getting them up before maybe they are not ready to wake up. They need to be fed breakfast which isn't exactly an easy feat either because if they are cranking no choices will suffice. Then they need to be dressed. Another feat. They fight you on what you want to dress them in. The backpack needs to be packed with all the essentials whether it be gym day or art day. Their blankie for nap time needs to be cleaned regulary and that needs packed also. They are encouraged to bring something to share with others which can take a good amount of time to choose. Then there is the shoe you can not find because they have taken off God knows where so you have a scavenger hunt to locate the needed shoe. Teeth brushed, face washed, hair combed.... By the time you get through all of that BEFORE you strap them into their car seat, it would take someone out to lunch, not to remember their child was in the backseat needing dropped off at day care.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I could care less what his qualifications are... a parent in a dead sleep will wake at the slightest odd sound from a baby. Parents brains are wired for their baby.

    Again, that psychobabble bull**** excuse for forgetting a child is pathetic...
    Your qualifications are? Or is that your personal experience & opinion speaking?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Your qualifications are? Or is that your personal experience & opinion speaking?
    Qualifications and Appeals to Authority are meaningless in a debate. I am not a lawyer but have won against lawyers the two times I self-represented in court. When I Presented my arguments to the Judge he did not ask my qualifications and when I presented evidence that helped me beat the laywer in one case the Judge thought it was interesting that I knew of this evidence but the other lawyer did not.

    In this case, my qualifications are that I am a parent that has never forgotten my children and this "expert" that you sourced claims he would have forgotten his grandchild and his psychobabble bull**** excuse for forgetting a child is pathetic...

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Qualifications and Appeals to Authority are meaningless in a debate. I am not a lawyer but have won against lawyers the two times I self-represented in court. When I Presented my arguments to the Judge he did not ask my qualifications and when I presented evidence that helped me beat the laywer in one case the Judge thought it was interesting that I knew of this evidence but the other lawyer did not.

    In this case, my qualifications are that I am a parent that has never forgotten my children and this "expert" that you sourced claims he would have forgotten his grandchild and his psychobabble bull**** excuse for forgetting a child is pathetic...
    Judges will not ask that. if they are comfortable that you know the law and are capable of mounting a defense, fine.
    On the other, you refuse to learn
    Is it a horrible to lose a child. Yes.
    But to label it all psychobabble is well.............your opinion.
    No qualifications, no experience in these tragedies, again your opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You can't rest in those places unless they totally knock you out or you are so close to death you could care less. They kept offering stuff for pain but I declined. I've been managing pain with Advil. On second thought I probably should have accepted the drugs. Last night I slept really well. There isn't much difference in my condition but I have strict orders to all the doctor if their are any changes. The doc at the hospital gave me his card with his personal number to call if things get worse. I have a specialist I need to get in contact on Monday. I was having an anxiety attack over the fact that my daughter is having major surgery tomorrow and I can't be there for her. Hubby will be going. Docs gave me a prescription for the anxiety, it seems to be working.

    I didn't want Hubby to call anyone to let them know I was in the hospital. Especially the kids. One is facing major surgery, the other was on vacation with his family. I didn't think it was necessary for them to know at this time. Well son is home from vacation, and daughter called yesterday and now they know and are upset with me for not telling them. **** you can't win for losing. They made me promise I would never ever do that again........we shall see. I have some great kids, a son-in-law I dropped the "in -law a long time ago and that goes for my daughter "in-law". To hell with the in-law part they are my kids. I have a wonderful spouse, loving brother and a couple of old aunties who pray for me daily along with a couple of true friends. I didn't want anyone to know and all are upset that I didn't tell them. Lesson learned.
    Crap, I posted this in the wrong thread. My deepest apology. Don't know how I managed that one but evidently I did. So sorry.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Judges will not ask that. if they are comfortable that you know the law and are capable of mounting a defense, fine.
    On the other, you refuse to learn
    Is it a horrible to lose a child. Yes.
    But to label it all psychobabble is well.............your opinion.
    No qualifications, no experience in these tragedies, again your opinion.
    Do you have a valid point? Refuse to learn seems to be your thing here.

    Wrong about the Judge and wrong that his opinion is not an opinion...

    His opinion is also his opinion because if it were a fact the evidence would be that thousands upon thousands of children a year would be dying in cars and that is not happening. As such, his opinion is psychobabble masquerading as expert. In the end if you want to accept his opinion as a fact that is fine with me but it certainly does not come close to proving a valid argument and yes, when certain lines of questioning occur Judges do in fact ask, if the lawyer has not made it clear, what the witnesses qualifications and expertise are.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Crap, I posted this in the wrong thread. My deepest apology. Don't know how I managed that one but evidently I did. So sorry.
    Obviously this is a prime example as to how a parent might forget their child locked in a car...

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Obviously this is a prime example as to how a parent might forget their child locked in a car...
    To err is human when you have two threads open at the same time and post in the wrong one is no comparison.

    Comparing an mishap over posting in the wrong thread to a parent forgetting a kid in the backseat of his vehicle that HE strapped into the car seat before taking off in his vehicle. That HE went through all the regular scenario all parents with children that work do daily is preposterous .

    The guy has a heavy burden to carry the rest of his life because his head wasn't where it should have been.

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    To err is human when you have two threads open at the same time and post in the wrong one is no comparison.

    Comparing an mishap over posting in the wrong thread to a parent forgetting a kid in the backseat of his vehicle that HE strapped into the car seat before taking off in his vehicle. That HE went through all the regular scenario all parents with children that work do daily is preposterous .

    The guy has a heavy burden to carry the rest of his life because his head wasn't where it should have been.
    We are on the same page here and that is why I thought you would know I was being sarcastic...

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    Re: Toddler dies in hot car as mom teaches inside school

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Do you have a valid point? Refuse to learn seems to be your thing here.

    Wrong about the Judge and wrong that his opinion is not an opinion...

    His opinion is also his opinion because if it were a fact the evidence would be that thousands upon thousands of children a year would be dying in cars and that is not happening. As such, his opinion is psychobabble masquerading as expert. In the end if you want to accept his opinion as a fact that is fine with me but it certainly does not come close to proving a valid argument and yes, when certain lines of questioning occur Judges do in fact ask, if the lawyer has not made it clear, what the witnesses qualifications and expertise are.
    Really upset.
    Thousands dying, your opinion is taking an experts knowledge of the brain and extrapolating that to make an invalid point.
    My thing here. Not sure what the heck that is?
    You equate your 2 times in court where you defended yourself in court to be equivalent to an experts opinion. Who gives a rats ass about your court experience?
    You can guess where I lay my money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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