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    Similarly, there are things China could and should do to foster stability in the region, like honoring it's agreements with ASEAN and the 1982 Convention.

    http://csis.org/files/publication/11..._China_Sea.pdf
    Sure, and from your link, However, after signing the DOC, the parties have not ceased activities that complicate the situation. Tensions have occasionally arisen and claimants continued to protest each other’s moves in the South China Sea.

    Vietnam has its own reclamation projects and have built military infrastructures on several islands. My concern, and that of the senior fellows at the CFR is that the West is framing this as Chinese aggression, the other players getting a pass. Taiwan claims all the Spratly's, which is stepping on Malaysia, Brunei, Philippine and Vietnam claims! We should see the West scolding everybody, rather than just China. And that doesn't even speak to China's superior title to the islands.
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    Re: US leaves Europe wide open

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    Sure, and from your link, However, after signing the DOC, the parties have not ceased activities that complicate the situation. Tensions have occasionally arisen and claimants continued to protest each other’s moves in the South China Sea.

    Vietnam has its own reclamation projects and have built military infrastructures on several islands. My concern, and that of the senior fellows at the CFR is that the West is framing this as Chinese aggression, the other players getting a pass. Taiwan claims all the Spratly's, which is stepping on Malaysia, Brunei, Philippine and Vietnam claims! We should see the West scolding everybody, rather than just China. And that doesn't even speak to China's superior title to the islands.
    Taiwan claims all of China, too. The South China Sea disputes, and there are many, are complicated. The US interest in the region is rather narrowly defined, as I have pointed out many times to you. It does not include prevention of China asserting claims through the defined vehicles accepted by international law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Taiwan claims all of China, too. The South China Sea disputes, and there are many, are complicated. The US interest in the region is rather narrowly defined, as I have pointed out many times to you. It does not include prevention of China asserting claims through the defined vehicles accepted by international law.
    The US routinely thwarts international law. I detest every time I hear us officially or unofficially (as you just did) invoke IL. Still can't criticize Vietnam for doing exactly the same thing as China I see.

    One rule for most nations, another for China
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    “Where we get concerned with China is where it is not necessarily abiding by international norms and rules and is using its sheer size and muscle to force countries into subordinate positions,” Obama said Thursday in response to a question at a forum in Kingston, Jamaica.

    “We think this can be solved diplomatically, but just because the Philippines or Vietnam are not as large as China doesn’t mean that they can just be elbowed aside,” he said.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying suggested the United States should consider its own history of bullying other countries.

    “I think everyone can see very clearly who it is in the world who is using the greatest size and muscle,” she said. She urged the United States to act constructively in resolving the region’s territorial disputes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    For the third time in a row now, the American Society of Civil Engineers has given the U.S. A "D" on our infrastructure report card, and said we need to spend 3.6 trillion on it by 2020!!!!!!
    You can't compare the two. The problem with infrastructure comes from political unwillingness to raise the gas taxes which is the primary funding mechanism for infrastructure, to a large extent too we overbuilt to a large degree . But it would be a mistake to cut military forces across the board to transfer the money to "infrastutcture" infrastructure has it's own funding mechanism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You can't compare the two. The problem with infrastructure comes from political unwillingness to raise the gas taxes which is the primary funding mechanism for infrastructure, to a large extent too we overbuilt to a large degree . But it would be a mistake to cut military forces across the board to transfer the money to "infrastutcture" infrastructure has it's own funding mechanism.
    Sorry buddy. Go to the link and look at the entire report card. Gas taxes have nothing to do with the nations drinking water supplies as noted, one example.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/te...d-service.html

    http://qz.com/162250/why-the-us-isnt...ternet-access/

    http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-fr...ucture-galston

    http://www.epi.org/publication/webfe...hots_20080423/

    http://www.northjersey.com/travel/sc...ries-1.1147999

    american society of civil engineers report card
    http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org
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    3.1 trillion is not required to build wells for drinking water


    The vast majority of expenses listed in your sources were highways. Except for an article about broadband internet ( which is not a federal responsibility)
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    Re: US leaves Europe wide open

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    Discontinuing our economic war on them might be a good start. It earned us a good sucker punch from Japan once. But then that was the objective. And god knows the fringe right would love to take on Russia.
    What do you mean they would love to take on Russia? It isn't as if they are actually going to enlist.

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    Re: US leaves Europe wide open

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    3.1 trillion is not required to build wells for drinking water


    The vast majority of expenses listed in your sources were highways. Except for an article about broadband internet ( which is not a federal responsibility)
    Well, I said the inferior drinking water was but one example. I don't know your profession, but do you really assert that you have a better handle on the state of affairs of the American infrastructure than the American Society of Civil Engineers?

    And dude, there's sixteen categories on the ASCE report card! Only two of which might fall under the category of highways.
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    I thought all the necessary hardware were deployed in Europe long ago.

    I hate such foreign policy. I won't be surprised if they'll invite more countries to NATO soon. I won't be surprised even on nuclear war.

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