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    Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/bu...oll-finds.html

    Americans are broadly concerned about inequality of wealth and income despite an economy that has improved by most measures, a sentiment that is already driving the 2016 presidential contest, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll.

    The poll found that a strong majority say that wealth should be more evenly divided and that it is a problem that should be addressed urgently. Nearly six in 10 Americans said government should do more to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor, but they split sharply along partisan lines. Only one-third of Republicans supported a more active government role, versus eight in 10 of Democrats.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Pretty much confirms that republicans vote against their own interests. Dem candidates at least pay lip service to fixing inequality. They do little about it, but the repub candidates and voters seem to be in complete fantasy land. I mean if government won't do anything about it, who else will, the corporate overlords? Maybe the fairy godmother?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    This country was founded by rebelling against an aristocracy. We have built a new aristocracy, ensuring that the rich are very very rich and stay that way across generations, while poverty is inherited and the lower middle class has little chance to move up. Of course that troubles us. It is antithetical to everything we believe in. Unfortunately, we try to pretend that this problem doesn't exist and many people oppose measures to equal the playing field because they don't want anything holding them down when they become rich.
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    Well, I've got just the cure for them: watch Fox News so they can listen to corporate-funded talking heads tell them that they're engaging in "class warfare" for expressing concern over the growing inequality gap.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    A " Strong majority " are for wealth redistribution ?

    In Greece maybe, or Venezuela, or Argentina.

    Not in this Country by any means.

    And the economy has " improved by most measures " ?? How can you post this crap ?

    Oh thats right, you put ideology before the needs and concerns of Millions of Americans who continue to struggle under this President

    Pretend they're not there so you can push this drivel.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Pretty much confirms that republicans vote against their own interests. Dem candidates at least pay lip service to fixing inequality. They do little about it, but the repub candidates and voters seem to be in complete fantasy land. I mean if government won't do anything about it, who else will, the corporate overlords? Maybe the fairy godmother?
    Republicans have recently been paying more attention to it. Mostly as a way to bash Obama, but I could care less as to the "why", I'm just happy that it's looking more and more like they are going to make it a major campaign issue.

    The downside of republicans taking up this issue is that they might do really stupid stuff, like blaming income inequality on the existence of minimum wage and pushing to get rid of the minimum wage (I know, that doesn't make a lick of sense, but republicans rarely do make any sense). The up side for democrats is that they will have a great opportunity to make any republican running on an inequality platform look like an idiot.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    When it comes down to it forced wealth redistribution ( theft ) is basically all the left have left as a economic plan for growth.

    Its their solution to a problem they made much worse and if its ever implemented it will backfire on the Middle class in epic proportions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    When it comes down to it forced wealth redistribution ( theft ) is basically all the left have left as a economic plan for growth.

    Its their solution to a problem they made much worse and if its ever implemented it will backfire on the Middle class in epic proportions.
    Politically, anything other than that sounds like foolishness as a solution to income disparity.

    Other than forced wealth redistribution, the only thing that the government can do is more deficit spending to increase demand and improve our overall economy, but most people are more concerned about the federal debt than income disparity, so that option is off the table, until we stop focusing on the deficit and debt - which won't happen until we get another republican POTUS.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The downside of republicans taking up this issue is that they might do really stupid stuff, like blaming income inequality on the existence of minimum wage and pushing to get rid of the minimum wage (I know, that doesn't make a lick of sense, but republicans rarely do make any sense). The up side for democrats is that they will have a great opportunity to make any republican running on an inequality platform look like an idiot.
    You continue to present an (I can only assume, at this point, willful) inaccurate depiction of the argument. Conservatives don't argue that MW laws increase income inequality, we argue that it increases unemployment among low-skill laborers, and prices for everyone.



    Anywho, I have yet to see anyone present to me good reasons why I should care how successful the very successful are, as opposed to caring about how to make the less successful more so.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Politically, anything other than that sounds like foolishness as a solution to income disparity.

    Other than forced wealth redistribution, the only thing that the government can do is more deficit spending to increase demand and improve our overall economy, but most people are more concerned about the federal debt than income disparity, so that option is off the table, until we stop focusing on the deficit and debt - which won't happen until we get another republican POTUS.
    Wrong...wow !

    The Government can incentivize new investment in our economy by NOT implementing foolish iniatives like " wealth redistribution ".

    It could remove tax penalties for offshore capital

    It could have also NOT passed a health care law that mandates higher cost on consumers and businesses under false pretenses.

    It could have NOT raised taxes on investment and capital that force investment capital offshore.

    It COULD lower Corporate tax rates, undo destructive regulations based on lies about AGW that are causing the Middle class and the poor to pay higher utility rates.

    It could do a number of things other than deficit spending "stimulus to increase aggregate demand " ( which never works ) and mandating higher cost on Bussinesses and consumers.

    All the left has is a long list of bad ideas. Ideas based on narratives and talking points that have all their value wrapped up in their intentions and not their consequences.

    7 years of record low interet rates with Trillions in new debt and now low gas prices and we just saw a contraction.

    Unbelievable. And you people want to continue on with this nonsense. Double down on it no less.

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