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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Or maybe, population isn't the cause.
    It's not, solely.



    Or maybe, welfare effectiveness is not the cause.
    It's not, the opposite is true.

    No, I caught your statements. First, you claimed that the social democracies of Europe have lower per capita GDP than the US (even though that's not true) which demonstrated the ineffectiveness of social welfare polices. Once the higher per capita GDP of some European nations was pointed out to you, you pivoted to arguing that per capita GDP is affected by population and natural resources.
    I didn't say European nations, I said European social Democracies. The only country that is an exception to that is Norway....sorta. Norway has low population and high resources.

    The truth is, per capita GDP is the result of many factors. Unless you're going to present a case that includes an accounting for all of those factors, your argument is nothing more than baseless claims motivated by partisan hackery
    It is a result of many factors, it is also an example of the lack of welfare effectiveness. The US has higher GDP per capita, Higher PPP, and Higher average wage (including Norway, Switzerland, and Luxembourg) than most countries, and nearly every European social democracy despite having a much higher population and lower welfare levels.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Then you didn't read it very carefully, because it was spelled out.


    As for new millionaires, mobility in the U.S. Is low. What you call a new millionaire, is someone who last year made $975,000 crossing the million line. I'll look for the data on this.
    You cited what the article was full of...horse**** and platitudes. Bill Gates did not diminish your capacity for becoming successful. You did. As for the 'tax' argument...again...that is such a ridiculous played out false narrative. The rich pay the taxes in this country. Average citizens dont pay enough in taxes to pay for even ONE of their kids teachers in school. Look at a breakdown...an actual breakdown of who pays for what.

    Ridiculous. No rich person out there got rich by stealing your pennies and no rich person out there blocked your opportunities for success.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    What someone else makes doesn't effect you. I got it.

    Doesn't matter if the CEO of your company pays himself a zillion dollars.

    Doesn't matter how high we make minimum wage either, after all minimum wage workers are paid out of the same income pool that CEO's are.
    Think there might be a gap in education, skills, risk, motivation, problem solving abilities, and experience between a CEO and minimum wage worker?
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not, solely.





    It's not, the opposite is true.



    I didn't say European nations, I said European social Democracies. The only country that is an exception to that is Norway....sorta. Norway has low population and high resources.



    It is a result of many factors, it is also an example of the lack of welfare effectiveness. The US has higher GDP per capita, Higher PPP, and Higher average wage (including Norway, Switzerland, and Luxembourg) than most countries, and nearly every European social democracy despite having a much higher population and lower welfare levels.
    IOW, when GDP is lower, it's shows the ineffectiveness of welfare. When it's higher, it shows nothing about the effectiveness of welfare

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    A " Strong majority " are for wealth redistribution ?

    In Greece maybe, or Venezuela, or Argentina.

    Not in this Country by any means.

    And the economy has " improved by most measures " ?? How can you post this crap ?

    Oh thats right, you put ideology before the needs and concerns of Millions of Americans who continue to struggle under this President

    Pretend they're not there so you can push this drivel.
    63% of Americans think the rich are not paying enough in taxes. Only 24% think they are paying their fair share. Only 9% believe they are paying too much. Most flat tax and Republican tax cuts schemes assumes the rich are paying too much.
    Many Americans OK With Increasing Taxes on Rich

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    When it comes down to it forced wealth redistribution ( theft ) is basically all the left have left as a economic plan for growth.

    Its their solution to a problem they made much worse and if its ever implemented it will backfire on the Middle class in epic proportions.
    I do agree that raising taxes is not the best idea. A better idea would be to restructure the corporate tax so that companies with high income inequality pay more and those with moderate income inequality pay less.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Think there might be a gap in education, skills, risk, motivation, problem solving abilities, and experience between a CEO and minimum wage worker?
    Of course the CEO deserves a high pay than his workers. The problem is that CEOs are giving themselves all they pay raises when new profits come in.

    During the recovery the top 1% took in 95% of the economic growth from the recovery. Incomes of the rich grew by 31% while those for everyone else grew by .4%. This can be solved by making companies with higher income inequality pay more in corporate taxes. Companies with moderate income inequality should pay less.
    One percent recovery: 95 percent of gains have gone to the top one percent.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    You don't think there is a growing wealth gap? For real? Your source only measures from 2007 to 2013.

    When you see the full spectrum of data we see something else:
    http://inequality.org/wp-content/upl...-Total-PTI.png

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, when GDP is lower, it's shows the ineffectiveness of welfare. When it's higher, it shows nothing about the effectiveness of welfare

    You'd have a point if at anytime since the US's establishment of govt welfare programs the average gdp PER CAPITA, PPP, average wage or wealth were lower than in the European welfare states for any length of time. This is not the case.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    You don't think there is a growing wealth gap? For real? Your source only measures from 2007 to 2013.

    When you see the full spectrum of data we see something else:
    http://inequality.org/wp-content/upl...-Total-PTI.png
    The problem that many have here is not understanding the fluidity of class in the US. While the top 1% may have growing wealth, the membership of the top 1% changes. The top 1% are not a fixed group....people move in and out. Further, it doesn't really matter that ther is a growing wealth gap even if the top 1% were a fixed group of people. What would matter is whether the lower 99% have enough to survive. When a growing percentage of them can't survive, that would be of concern. The simple fact that the rich have more does not mean the poor are getting poorer. No-one could make the argument that the average US person's quality of life is worse because someone else got rich.
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