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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

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    They just disagree on how to fix it. In European social democracies, the GDP per capita is less than the US GDP per capita....that's a very easy example of welfare effectiveness.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Exactly.

    The few countries (in the world) that have higher gdp per capita than the US have drastically lower populations and large quantities of marketable resources. The main factor that skews the argument in favor of the redistributionists (superficially) Is that in addition to having one of the highest gdp per capitas in the world, we also have one of the highest number of very rich people in the world.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

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    Pretty much confirms that republicans vote against their own interests. Dem candidates at least pay lip service to fixing inequality. They do little about it, but the repub candidates and voters seem to be in complete fantasy land. I mean if government won't do anything about it, who else will, the corporate overlords? Maybe the fairy godmother?
    When the welfare of a people is placed squarely in the hands of government they cease to become "the people" and assume the identity of their government.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

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    Exactly.

    The few countries (in the world) that have higher gdp per capita than the US have drastically lower populations and large quantities of marketable resources.
    IOW,per capita GDP is not the result of "welfare effectiveness"; it's the result of population size and natural resources
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW,per capita GDP is not the result of "welfare effectiveness"; it's the result of population size and natural resources
    If true (and the only cause), then with our population being one of the largest in the world, greatly larger than any above us, we should have a lower gdp PER CAPITA than we do. Further, I did not claim it was a result of welfare effectiveness. I claimed is was an example of the lack of welfare effectiveness.

    You seem to have missed my statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Exactly.

    The few countries (in the world) that have higher gdp per capita than the US have drastically lower populations and large quantities of marketable resources. The main factor that skews the argument in favor of the redistributionists (superficially) Is that in addition to having one of the highest gdp per capitas in the world, we also have one of the highest number of very rich people in the world.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Pretty much confirms that republicans vote against their own interests. Dem candidates at least pay lip service to fixing inequality. They do little about it, but the repub candidates and voters seem to be in complete fantasy land. I mean if government won't do anything about it, who else will, the corporate overlords? Maybe the fairy godmother?
    yea we don't believe in illegally stealing from people.
    it doesn't actually solve the problem.

    the government has been transferring wealth from years and years and it hasn't solved the problem.
    while people that are now rich saved and invested other people didn't. their investments have paid off.

    other than stealing money from someone how do you propose to close the gap?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Politically, anything other than that sounds like foolishness as a solution to income disparity.

    Other than forced wealth redistribution, the only thing that the government can do is more deficit spending to increase demand and improve our overall economy, but most people are more concerned about the federal debt than income disparity, so that option is off the table, until we stop focusing on the deficit and debt - which won't happen until we get another republican POTUS.
    100% wrong.

    The government can reform the tax code making it more beneficial to companies to pay people.
    we desperately need tax code reform not only for individuals but for corporations.

    I suggest lowering the corporate tax to 10%. eliminating the majority of deductions except for these.
    healthcare, pay (non-executive) and expansion.

    so the more pay and benefits and job expansion that companies do the bigger tax deduction they get.
    it only makes sense.

    the government spends nothing and gains a whole ton of new business investment as more companies would come here and hire people.
    and get rid of obamacare that has destroyed the middle class and lower classes.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    The government has been transferring wealth for decades. From the poor to the rich.
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    Blacks aren't committing more crime. That's the point. They use drugs at similar rates yet they get harsher sentences and more convictions.
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    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If true (and the only cause), then with our population being one of the largest in the world, greatly larger than any above us, we should have a lower gdp PER CAPITA than we do.
    Or maybe, population isn't the cause.

    Further, I did not claim it was a result of welfare effectiveness. I claimed is was an example of the lack of welfare effectiveness.
    Or maybe, welfare effectiveness is not the cause.

    You seem to have missed my statement:
    No, I caught your statements. First, you claimed that the social democracies of Europe have lower per capita GDP than the US (even though that's not true) which demonstrated the ineffectiveness of social welfare polices. Once the higher per capita GDP of some European nations was pointed out to you, you pivoted to arguing that per capita GDP is affected by population and natural resources.

    The truth is, per capita GDP is the result of many factors. Unless you're going to present a case that includes an accounting for all of those factors, your argument is nothing more than baseless claims motivated by partisan hackery
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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