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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Are you asking me to convince you to care about the poor?
    Are the rich preventing people from getting rich? Or do you believe there is a finite supply of money?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    If you a top1%er, the income gap is in your favor. But there is a 99% chance that you aren't a 1%er.
    So what if someone make more than me. If they are actively trying to keep me more then there is a problem.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by avery45 View Post
    Are the rich preventing people from getting rich? Or do you believe there is a finite supply of money?
    That's not in any way an answer to my question.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Blah, blah, blah.

    Turn on your TV and look at Baltimore. Look at south Texas where almost nobody speaks English. Look at rural Alabama where most don't graduate high school. Look EVERYWHERE where so many kids come from broken homes and don't know their dad.

    We have a political party which is built solely on making excuses for people and telling them that none of these actions or decisions are truly their fault. It is a grotesque cannibalism just for political gain.

    And then we want to blame the people who chose not to make these decisions? It's their fault?

    There are motions now declaring it educationally unfair if a child has a parent reading bedtime stories to them at night. Suddenly, that is the vast exception, not the rule.

    This nation is screwed.
    TRANSLATION: 'I dismiss your facts and figures because I want to believe what I want to believe.'

    In Sweden most children are born to unmarried women and it doesn't seem to be degrading Sweden.

    The fact is that everyone except for the top 1% have been economically stagnant or lost ground over the last 30 years. That can't be simply explained by accusing the bottom 99% of being lazy.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by avery45 View Post
    Are the rich preventing people from getting rich? Or do you believe there is a finite supply of money?
    Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1% | Vanity Fair
    "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." --J.S. Mill

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Wonderful. Read the article. Now...how does Bill Gates making 10 Billion a year prevent you from becoming successful? How does the fact that the top 1% are REALLY REALLY REALLY wealthy prevent you from becoming successful? How do you reconcile the fact that there have MILLIONS of NEW MILLIONAIRESaround the globe over the last several years (an average of 1000 per day)with your constant bemoaning the success and largess of the 1%? '

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    bingo

    we have a winner

    i dont care if you make 25k, 250k, or 250m a year...
    What someone else makes doesn't effect you. I got it.

    Doesn't matter if the CEO of your company pays himself a zillion dollars.

    Doesn't matter how high we make minimum wage either, after all minimum wage workers are paid out of the same income pool that CEO's are.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Greece is begging Putin to fix its country for them.

    Greece crisis live: PM tells parliament a debt deal can be done as stocks slide and Athens looks to Moscow - Telegraph

    Do folks really want to go down the redistribution path?
    Russia is having their own financial issues.

    Anyhow, do you understand that Greece is not monetarily sovereign?
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This country was founded by rebelling against an aristocracy. We have built a new aristocracy, ensuring that the rich are very very rich and stay that way across generations, while poverty is inherited and the lower middle class has little chance to move up. Of course that troubles us. It is antithetical to everything we believe in. Unfortunately, we try to pretend that this problem doesn't exist and many people oppose measures to equal the playing field because they don't want anything holding them down when they become rich.
    Well, Thomas Paine in Common Sense certainly complained about the evils of inherited wealth and power but I don't recall any founders who were concerned about income inequality. They seemed concerned about individual freedoms and how King George and the progressive statists were not following their own laws which gave power to individuals.
    We should not become slaves to the Christian morality about the evils of wealth and the importance of charity and compassion. Anti-wealth is not a universal theme-it is Christian based. Other religions and philosophies may believe in some charity but not nearly to the extent of Christianity. Moslems are content with 2.5% to charity and believe that a person's first concern is to take care of his extended family. Buddhists believe that if a person is wealthy, they must have good karma and probably earned it. Hindus recognize that money is not really important in the scheme of things. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs seems to understand that beyond some basics the main needs have nothing to do with money.
    But Christians are imbued with the evils of wealth. The rich man goes to Hell and has no chance of getting to heaven. The poor are the privileged ones, in god's eyes, in Christian thinking. Don't know why governments get involved. If people don't want their wealth give it away.

    And the real issue is not income inequality but wealth inequality and inherited wealth. Denmark and Switzerland rank very high in income equality but as bad as the US in terms of wealth inequality. The rich are entitled to their income, as long as legally obtained. The children of the rich are not. But no party seems to want to deal with that. Chelsea is set for life.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    What someone else makes doesn't effect you. I got it.

    Doesn't matter if the CEO of your company pays himself a zillion dollars.

    Doesn't matter how high we make minimum wage either, after all minimum wage workers are paid out of the same income pool that CEO's are.
    The ceo isn't asking for, or taking anything that he/she hasn't earned

    There is that word.....earned

    So many on your side of the equation want to give money to people that haven't earned it

    You want or need to earn more....it is relatively easy to make that happen

    You earn it by learning skills and taking on more responsibility

    And if you earn it, you will be paid it

    Just as the 155 employees that work for me all want to make more

    They know how to do it......make me and the company more...and they make more

    Kinda works like that everywhere
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