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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I'm really talking about the Mit Romneys and Bill Gates of the world, - people who's 'rents and buddies hooked them up with million dollar contracts.
    If only it was that easy. I doubt that's true in either of these cases.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    When a plant closes and moves offshore and 500 people lose their jobs, there just do not exist equivalent jobs for the GOOD workers to move into.
    Why does this plant close and why are they moving elsewhere? That's what everyone should be asking themselves.
    The jobs that do exist pay less. Sure, someone can rise above stocking shelves to management, but not everyone can and the person who DOES stock shelves is needed and either should or should not in a functioning system share in rising productivity and profits and be able to afford the basics on the income from that job. If not, then what do we do about that.
    There isn't much you can do. The glory years are over and the world has become more competitive. That's just the way it is.

    Some countries, and people, can adapt to the modern world while others cannot, and governments are limited in what they can do. The US has always prided itself on hard work and initiative but that idea now appears old-fashioned and a more collective society has emerged, encouraged by politicians who say they can offer programs in order to turn things around. Many people still believe that in fact and ask themselves why the government doesn't do something.
    Saying, well that shelf person should work harder and if he did he'd make more money doesn't change that the next guy in his job cannot make it on that pay. If that job doesn't pay enough to afford healthcare then what do we do when that person or his kids get sick? The job won't go away, so blaming THAT guy for holding it isn't an answer.
    The idea has always been to work your way up or be satisfied with your position in life and find happiness in other areas. There is nothing demeaning in stocking shelves anyway. Honest work is often its own reward.
    Similarly, in that restaurant there are some probably ordinary waitresses. What do you think a reasonable expectation should be of them? If they're not extraordinary, they "deserve" financial insecurity and no healthcare insurance? If their kid gets sick, they have no one to blame but themselves for the bankruptcy, for doing an average job in an average vocation?
    That's largely why family, relationships, and good planning are important. Realizing you're largely on your own in this world and to take responsibility for your life is the first step toward genuine freedom. I, like many others, have profited greatly from 'the kindness of strangers' and have given kindness in return. The government often ruins those human relationships.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If only it was that easy. I doubt that's true in either of these cases.
    Look it up, it's true.

    Mit's dad was a governor, etc, and hooked him up with his first job.

    Bill Gates mom financed microsoft for him, but more importantly she hooked him up with an IBM contract (his mother was buddies with the IBM CEO at the time).

    It's perfectly possible to get "Millionare Next Door" rich by working hard for fourty or fifty years and living like a miser and saving like crazy, but "Millionare Next Door" type of wealth isn't even considered rich these days. Becoming Uber rich requires a lot of help from others along the way.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Lot's of people become rich with no skills or hard work. Luck plays a huge factor. I guess it's fair to say that Bernie Madeoff had skills and worked hard though, he was skilled at conning people and worked hard at spending their money.
    So all right people are like Bernie Madeoff? Is Steve Jobs like Bernie Madeoff?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    It's improving faster than at any point in history. Technology grows exponentially.
    It is common knowledge that technology expended the fastest during the industrial revolution. We went from horses to cars. Now we just go from cars to hybrid cars.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then try tithing or volunteering. But don't look to the politicians to do what individuals should be doing. They only encourage dependency in order to attract votes.
    How will tithing and volunteering reduce income inequality?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    How will tithing and volunteering reduce income inequality?
    There will always be income equality. Always. "For you will always have the poor with you".

    What we want to do is prevent human suffering. That can best be done by helping each other and allowing everyone the freedom to improve their lives.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Try again without the straw man?
    Your statement was galactically ridiculous, and you know it.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Look it up, it's true. Mit's dad was a governor, etc, and hooked him up with his first job.
    That's right but he was also, largely, a self made man. We can see repeatedly that being a Presidents son, governors son or any prominent person's son doesnt guarantee sucess. Certainly it may offer a step in the right direction but after that they're on their own. There are many, the current President included, who are successful without that start. The difference lies in taking any opportunity and dedication to hard work and an education. The education can often take many forms.
    Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bill Gates mom financed microsoft for him, but more importantly she hooked him up with an IBM contract (his mother was buddies with the IBM CEO at the time).
    And Bill Gates and partners did it largely on their own. They took advantage of an opportunity, one that IBM itself missed out on. Bill Gates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's perfectly possible to get "Millionare Next Door" rich by working hard for fourty or fifty years and living like a miser and saving like crazy, but "Millionare Next Door" type of wealth isn't even considered rich these days. Becoming Uber rich requires a lot of help from others along the way.
    Is being "Uberrich" really that important? Has that become the meaning of life? Whatever happened to genuine spirituality and fulfillment from other aspects of being?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    It is common knowledge that technology expended the fastest during the industrial revolution. We went from horses to cars. Now we just go from cars to hybrid cars.
    We are moving from manufactured products and services to virtual products and services today, that's a far greater expansion of technology.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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