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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    sawdust picked Belgium....not me

    please reread what i wrote......

    we...the USA spend a lot of our GDP on national defense

    name one other industrialized country that spends anywhere close to what we spend.....and what does their economy look like?

    at times, decisions are made about what to spend money on....what to prioritize....defence has always been at the top of the list for us

    that is VERY different from Germany, Japan, Belgium, France, or any other country you want to compare us to

    that was my point....my only point

    is that right or wrong? that is the question i think we will soon have to ask ourselves

    do we continue to protect the South Korea's, the Germany's, and other countries......

    or do we put that money to work here in the USA....and let the other nations fend for themselves
    Sorry about the mixup...but my point stands. And defense has NOT always been at the top of the list for us. In fact, except for during the Civil War and WWI, it was NEVER "at the top of the list" until we began rearming for WWII. The isolationists were very influential in our society and government until Pearl Harbor.

    And as far as us protecting the rest of the world goes, it's like the old comic-book saying, "with great power comes great responsibility". Yes, we can spend less on Defense and I've long said we should - starting with MY beloved aircraft carriers. But the thing is, it's conservative economic dogma that big government, high effective taxes, and strong regulation are a sure-fire recipe for being consigned to the economic dustbin of history...BUT every single one of the first world democracies have precisely that...and NO democracy that does not have all three of those is a first-world democracy. The rest of the free world is lucky that we are here, yes...but that in and of itself is not in any way a determinant of the economic success of a nation.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    wtf gave anyone the right to take anyone else's property, hmm? that's what taxes do, that's what regulations do, and I'm opposed to both. Any decent person is.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by prison/con.net View Post
    wtf gave anyone the right to take anyone else's property, hmm? that's what taxes do, that's what regulations do, and I'm opposed to both. Any decent person is.
    You should really consider the standard of living is in countries that don't have taxes or regulations. Like Somolia.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    You should really consider the standard of living is in countries that don't have taxes or regulations. Like Somolia.
    It's culture that defines any nation and it just takes a generation or two to change it. Taxes and regulations would have no effect whatsoever in a place like Somalia.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's culture that defines any nation and it just takes a generation or two to change it. Taxes and regulations would have no effect whatsoever in a place like Somalia.
    Would education (schools), infrastructure creation, jobs and the eradication of warlords have any effect?
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    An interesting analysis conducted on November 2, 2012 [see here]. However, I think the 'Historical Income Tables' from the U.S. Census Bureau make for a better macro view [see here].

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by prison/con.net View Post
    wtf gave anyone the right to take anyone else's property, hmm? that's what taxes do, that's what regulations do, and I'm opposed to both. Any decent person is.
    I think you meant "selfish freeloader."

    You live in a developed country with outstanding infrastructure, police, a military to protect us from invasion, courts, rule of law, schools, etc. That costs money. Taxes are the bill for those services you enjoy every minute of every day. And so by living here and enjoying those services, you've agreed to the terms of residency, and that includes that you pay part of the bill for all you enjoy through taxes. Pretty simple.

    Regulations are just laws. Same as above. If you want anarchy, there are options for you to consider moving to. You should research it and find a country that better suits you.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Would education (schools), infrastructure creation, jobs and the eradication of warlords have any effect?
    It sure would! But who wants to bell that cat?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I think you meant "selfish freeloader."

    You live in a developed country with outstanding infrastructure, police, a military to protect us from invasion, courts, rule of law, schools, etc. That costs money. Taxes are the bill for those services you enjoy every minute of every day. And so by living here and enjoying those services, you've agreed to the terms of residency, and that includes that you pay part of the bill for all you enjoy through taxes. Pretty simple.
    Regulations are just laws. Same as above. If you want anarchy, there are options for you to consider moving to. You should research it and find a country that better suits you.
    I doubt anyone is against police, schools, military, highways, etc but there are many agencies and bureaucracies which are ineffective, redundant, unnecessary and a waste of public money. That holds true in most democracies. And many, like those you mentioned, must always have public scrutiny to ensure the public is getting value for their dollar.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    The growing gap is concerning.

    However, it isn't the role of the government to regulate it...

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