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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    "Inequality" doesn't trouble me in any way, shape, form, or fashion. There's no rational reason for it to trouble anyone.





    This country was founded on by rebelling against an absolute central authority that taxed it relentlessly, on the basis that all men are equal and have unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property.

    You and yours want to build the same thing, only you think it's somehow better when it doesn't involve any kind of a monarch. It isn't.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    I didn't ask if anyone become rich. I asked if everyone can be richer. Like every single person in the US together. Is it possible with the right amount of work. Please give me a practical answer.
    It is possible but only if the fruits of our increasing wealth are shared proportionately between all income levels.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    This confirms the notion that if you tell a lie enough times it becomes reality. Has anyone who reads this been economically disadvantaged by the existence of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet?
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    This confirms the notion that if you tell a lie enough times it becomes reality. Has anyone who reads this been economically disadvantaged by the existence of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet?
    Has anyone ever heard of "trickle-down economics"?
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    When it comes down to it forced wealth redistribution ( theft ) is basically all the left have left as a economic plan for growth.

    Its their solution to a problem they made much worse and if its ever implemented it will backfire on the Middle class in epic proportions.
    Theft is what the rich politicians, CEO's, bankers, etc. are doing to the middle class and poor... you have it backwards...
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    bingo

    we have a winner

    i dont care if you make 25k, 250k, or 250m a year

    it is none of my business....and if you are making 250m a year....hopefully you are bringing a few others with you into that stratosphere

    this country is all about opportunity......the sky is the limit.....

    we make more millionaires in this country than anywhere else.....period

    my wife and i make a nice living......we also give back

    my boss makes a ton more than i do.....he earns it.....his fed income tax paid in april was in the mid 7 figures

    he gives back too

    the idea is to get as many successful people around as we can....and let others work for them

    that is the capitalist society i know.....and it works
    One problem with that, currently at least....


    Many/most of the decent paying jobs almost require a degree of some sort, and the better require at least a 4-year one. That could cost a person tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending on degree, school, and what kind of grants they can get.

    It's basically a debt gate to many "good" jobs.

    If you don't pay the toll, you don't have the opportunity.


    Now, I'm not saying college should be free (or at least not without serious limits, because I know damn well some people would stay in school if that was the case), but for ****s sake it's basically a door that keeps the people with less money out, even if they have the capability.

    Sure a few get through, but even then they have to be exceptional, because the public schools in lower-income areas are crappy compared to richer neighborhoods....not to mention a poor family won't have as much time to help their kids (because working a couple-few jobs for what little money they can get...or hell, they may be ****ty parents and not bother to, although that's not a low-income specific thing.

    So we have a person who starts in a poor situation, with barriers all around to realizing their full potential, then if they manage to get decent grades in school and survive whatever else their youth throws at them, they have to indebt themselves to what seems an overly expensive higher education system just to get through the door that leads to....


    A job market which is frankly seemingly unable to provide jobs for them all...or why do you have overqualified (degree-wise, at least) people in multiple areas?

    Sure they could just not care, or they don't know how to find a new job, or whatever you want as a reason.

    But it seems to me that if this ****storm were working as well as you say, we'd have more capable people getting the jobs that require said capability.


    And then when they do get hired, they're liable to be underpaid.

    In short, generally higher education is too expensive, and job availability/pay is too low.

    And thousands of poor individuals don't even encounter that **** because they can't get away from the ****storm the society they were born into placed them in.




    Ok that got long-winded and probably covers multiple problems....
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    "Better"? How is taking what someone earned and giving it to someone that didn't earn it, specially when it's not actually necessary....."better"?
    Frankly, I have a hard time understanding how some of the CEO/upper management incomes I've heard/read about can be justified.

    What the hell could they possibly be doing that justified 100m (as an example, some make more, some make less) in income/stock options/benefits/whatever?
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    Do you think everyone can become rich?
    No, but from where I sit there sure as hell does not appear to be any attempt to reduce the number of poor.
    Education.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    It was doing a pretty darned good job of it during the middle of the 20th century. Obviously progressive taxation wasn't the only reason that all income classes grew in income at about the same rate, but it was one of the biggies. Then came "trickle down Ronny".
    actually, Americas manufacturing position post WWII plus expanded college attendance had the biggest impact on income growth.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Frankly, I have a hard time understanding how some of the CEO/upper management incomes I've heard/read about can be justified.

    What the hell could they possibly be doing that justified 100m (as an example, some make more, some make less) in income/stock options/benefits/whatever?
    Spend some time as a CEO, then you'll find out.

    and..."Justified"? Justified by whom? It's not like they're stealing it....they're being paid, willingly. Ask the people that pay them why it's justified.
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