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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    Do you think everyone can become rich?
    Everyone willing to educate themselves and put in the work...coupled with sensible fiscal choices can.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Everyone willing to educate themselves and put in the work...coupled with sensible fiscal choices can.
    I didn't ask if anyone become rich. I asked if everyone can be richer. Like every single person in the US together. Is it possible with the right amount of work. Please give me a practical answer.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

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    "Better"? How is taking what someone earned and giving it to someone that didn't earn it, specially when it's not actually necessary....."better"?
    Because if there is a system of legislation in place to help ensure that the balance of economic power remains with a small demographic of people, thereby allowing them to continue to reap the lions share and then some of the profits resulting from increased productivity and technology, our ENTIRE ECONOMY IS GOING TO CRASH, AND NOT RECOVER.

    The 1% need consumers to live their way of life. Consumers need a paycheck that does more than just barely covering the basics to adequately consume. Asking the 1% to please oh please pay their help better doesn't work. So we introduce things like increased minimum wages, and try to disincentivise rampant profiteering via progressive taxes. The mind set being...don't want to pay your people enough to live and be productive members of the economy? Fine, we'll tax you more, and use that help them to continue to consume.

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

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    Is there an active effort to keep the 99% from becoming a 1%
    Yes. It's called Citizens United.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    I didn't ask if anyone become rich. I asked if everyone can be richer. Like every single person in the US together. Is it possible with the right amount of work. Please give me a practical answer.
    No, not by our understanding of rich.



    But consider for a moment what we in this country have, even our poorest. Everyone here ALREADY IS rich, as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    I didn't ask if anyone become rich. I asked if everyone can be richer. Like every single person in the US together. Is it possible with the right amount of work. Please give me a practical answer.
    Sure it's possible...but not likely. Most people don't have the right combination of education, skills, discipline and work ethic to do it.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Because if there is a system of legislation in place to help ensure that the balance of economic power remains with a small demographic of people, thereby allowing them to continue to reap the lions share and then some of the profits resulting from increased productivity and technology, our ENTIRE ECONOMY IS GOING TO CRASH, AND NOT RECOVER.
    Crash and not recover? When is that going to happen....because for the last entire history of humanity...those laws haven't existed....just sayin.

    The 1% need consumers to live their way of life. Consumers need a paycheck that does more than just barely covering the basics to adequately consume. Asking the 1% to please oh please pay their help better doesn't work. So we introduce things like increased minimum wages, and try to disincentivise rampant profiteering via progressive taxes. The mind set being...don't want to pay your people enough to live and be productive members of the economy? Fine, we'll tax you more, and use that help them to continue to consume.

    Don't like? Then work on alternatives. Economically VIABLE alternatives.
    I see, now you're trying to help the 1% stay the 1%. Very touching. Here's a news flash...we're essentially the highest paid country on earth, all measures averaged. You want more...earn it. Don't expect the govt to give it to you.


    Progressive taxation does not fix poverty, never has, never will.
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
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    Progressive taxation does not fix poverty, never has, never will.
    It was doing a pretty darned good job of it during the middle of the 20th century. Obviously progressive taxation wasn't the only reason that all income classes grew in income at about the same rate, but it was one of the biggies. Then came "trickle down Ronny".
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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This country was founded by rebelling against an aristocracy. We have built a new aristocracy, ensuring that the rich are very very rich and stay that way across generations, while poverty is inherited and the lower middle class has little chance to move up. Of course that troubles us. It is antithetical to everything we believe in. Unfortunately, we try to pretend that this problem doesn't exist and many people oppose measures to equal the playing field because they don't want anything holding them down when they become rich.
    Who's keeping you or anyone else from competing with these aristocrats?

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    Re: Inequality Troubles Americans Across Party Lines, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by avery45 View Post
    Is there an active effort to keep the 99% from becoming a 1%
    yes. The TPP deal that Obama and the Republicans want to keep secret is one example.

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