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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Yes the lower class gets help and subsidies, no I don't like handouts, but you people only look at one small spec of the debate. The middle class gets subsidies and handouts. Look at the home interest tax deductions and student loans and aid. All the middle class welfare adds up to about 1 trillion dollars, yet nobody talks about it. You guys should check it out: The Submerged State: How Invisible Government Policies Undermine American Democracy, Mettler And don't get me started about the deductions and subsidies that large corporations get. If we are going to be a welfare state, don't leave the most vulnerable population out of it. Its sad that people will holler and yell about somebody getting food but not when the government is giving people money to own a home or have a big lobby in Washington. If we are going to do away with and hate on the welfare state, lets do it all equally, not on just the bottom feeders.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I guess that is what you can call it. Others call it overstepping bounds and excusing lack of parental responsibility. This is a crushing problem. Shame some are not interested in actually addressing it. They'd just rather spend other peoples money to curry favors, and move the parents out of the way.
    That's what I mean by cynicism. So it's impossible that people just want to ensure children get what they need to eat...it can only be because they want to buy votes and take over the parents job?

    The idea that the Democratic party "buys" votes just doesn't make sense either...poor people don't vote and the states that have some of the highest percentages of poverty are deep red states.

    If they want to buy votes going the Republican route is more efficient....evangelicals and wealthier people that don't want to pay taxes make up a disproportionately large amount of voters compared to their percentage of the population.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, next thing you know those darn progressives are a-gonna make education free through college so students aren't saddled with 50K in debt the day they graduate, and they're a-gonna make health care single-payer so workers can, you know, WORK instead of being sick at home! We should go back to the good ol' days of "don't get sick, but if you do get sick, die quickly", which is the way REAL 'Mericans oughta live!
    At the very least, higher education should be dramatically cheaper.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    At the very least, higher education should be dramatically cheaper.
    I like the German model - if you're good enough, almost-free college...and if your grades aren't stellar, almost-free tech school...and then if one still wants to pay for more college, go for it.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    That is an exact quote from me, right? I support the state elimination parents? If you are going to tell a lie, at least tell on someone might believe.
    I was attempting to match the quality of my post with yours. Obviously I did well.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I like the German model - if you're good enough, almost-free college...and if your grades aren't stellar, almost-free tech school...and then if one still wants to pay for more college, go for it.
    There are many models better than the one we have. In the end,though, an educated populace is a necessity for a Free Republic, so it behooves us to ensure that as many of our people are as educated as possible.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You claimed they are going to be "eliminated", yes?

    "So you support the state eliminating parents?" This is what you said. Don't say it if you don't mean it.
    So you admit you fabricated the words you used in your reply to me. Very good.

    Eliminating as in making them unnecessary. As in removing them from the basic responsibilities of parenting. You know, like feeding their kids.

    It really shouldn't need to be explained
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you admit you fabricated the words you used in your reply to me. Very good.

    Eliminating as in making them unnecessary. As in removing them from the basic responsibilities of parenting. You know, like feeding their kids.

    It really shouldn't need to be explained
    Actually it was a direct quote, so I didn't fabricate anything. Perchance it is time to learn the definition of "fabricate", yes? You're the one running around claiming the government is going to eliminate parents by feeding our children at school. Here's your direct quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you support the state eliminating parents? I'm not sure how to classify that. I'm pretty sure they've made movies about though.
    Notice I only used the words you had used, no fabrication was necessary. You claimed elimination of parents. Sorry that you overstated things in your zeal to decry programs that feed our kids. But that's why you should be careful with how you state things.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    I have no idea how you went from a school lunch program, to this:


    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm not surprised a liberal/progressive would see value in eliminating the role of parenting in the development of children.

    Under the false banner of "compassion" it make sense such an ideological view would see the state as much more qualified to administer all facets of upbringing and values. The state knows better. And don't you forget it.

    Dangerous ground Progressives have committed to. Better hope the State is always to your liking, because you never know who might be holding the reins of State in the future.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I have no idea how you went from a school lunch program, to this:
    It's partisan politics and hysterics.
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