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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Oh, I don't know. Perhaps the solution is the same one that allowed human beings to survive all these years. Something along the lines of requiring parents to feed their children, as opposed to given them reason not to.
    But it's not happening, and kids are going hungry. So you can sit on your high horse and talk about the should of could of of life, or we can try to find a way to solve the problem.

    School's providing lunch to all students "free of charge" (or rather, included in the cost of public school funding) will do nothing to eliminate the parents or make the government the sole provider of food or whatever. It's just an achievable way to ensure that the kids get at least one good meal a day.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Comon', 'ocean515' - we're long gone from 17th century 30 year lifespans, and 1/3 infant & 2/3 childhood mortality rates! No one would accept them today. A lot of children DIDN'T survive at all in the centuries past. In fact most, not some, but MOST didn't make it through birth, childhood, and into adulthood!

    The point (today) is, some of these parents aren't doing what they should.

    I hear your complaints, but once again - "What's your solution"?



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    Well gee, I wasn't necessarily referring to 1647, I was more thinking of the '60's and '70's, when I went to elementary and High School. I guess kids were just dying off, and I didn't notice. Considering there was little more than subsidized milk going on, it's a miracle kids in the US survived such a squalid and heartless period of time.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it's not happening, and kids are going hungry. So you can sit on your high horse and talk about the should of could of of life, or we can try to find a way to solve the problem.

    School's providing lunch to all students "free of charge" (or rather, included in the cost of public school funding) will do nothing to eliminate the parents or make the government the sole provider of food or whatever. It's just an achievable way to ensure that the kids get at least one good meal a day.
    As I suggested earlier, I've grown mmune to the "let them starve" blather that is the line of last resort from people who can't defend their ideas with anything more than platitudes.

    Children who are indeed in need of food should get fed. There are children who fit this bill, just as there are adults who also need help.

    These numbers are nowhere near what the government has decided to do about the issue. They are deciding to become the sole purveyors of nutrition, and the arbiters of what will be allowed to be fed to all children. In this mission, they are removing nutritional responsibility from parents who for the most part, are apparently are capable of feeding themselves. I am guessing at that, but I haven't noticed a wholesale increase in starvation deaths of parents of school age children, so I think I'm on safe ground.

    This usurping of responsibility by government agency is another example of progressive policy that seeks to put the government in the position of holding people at their mercy. Toe the line, or else. That is a dangerous place to put the government. History has proven this to be true.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well gee, I wasn't necessarily referring to 1647, I was more thinking of the '60's and '70's, when I went to elementary and High School. I guess kids were just dying off, and I didn't notice. Considering there was little more than subsidized milk going on, it's a miracle kids in the US survived such a squalid and heartless period of time.
    Fair enough.

    I grew-up in the era you've described, and was fortunate-enough that my parents may have been immigrants of modest means, but they worked liked dogs & lived frugally in order to give their kids a better life than that of the war-torn Europe my grandfather fled for the New World, with his family & my father in tow.

    But this particular subset of parents aren't doing their part - and dreaming, proselytizing, remembering the past, or wishing or hoping, isn't feeding the troubled kids mouths today.

    The city stepped-up & provided a solution.

    I have no problems with those complaining of the city's solution - if they can provide a better one.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

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    As expected. Enjoy peddling nonsense, nobody in this thread has bought into it.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Fair enough.

    I grew-up in the era you've described, and was fortunate-enough that my parents may have been immigrants of modest means, but they worked liked dogs & lived frugally in order to give their kids a better life than that of the war-torn Europe my grandfather fled for the New World, with his family & my father in tow.

    But this particular subset of parents aren't doing their part - and dreaming, proselytizing, remembering the past, or wishing or hoping, isn't feeding the troubled kids mouths today.

    The city stepped-up & provided a solution.

    I have no problems with those complaining of the city's solution - if they can provide a better one.
    Key emphasis - aren't doing their part. And how will further removing them from doing their part solve the problem? The fact is, the government has been further removing them from doing their part for decades. Repeating the same policies that have created the problem is insane.

    The fact is, we now are seeing school districts, if not teachers, confiscating parent supplied lunches as if it was some contraband. This is being done because the government has decided they know what is best for the children, as opposed to the parents. Again, this is insane.

    Throwing in the towel and letting the wholesale take over of nutrition to the government because nobody has come up with a better solution falls into the same insane category.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As expected. Enjoy peddling nonsense, nobody in this thread has bought into it.
    Nobody?





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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Nobody?





    Well I'm sure you'd be able to find an idiot willing to make the same old timey bull**** claim that smaller families, wide availability (and acceptance) of contraceptive use, women waiting longer to have kids, and a general drop in birth rates (the lowest since records have been kept), means that people aren't more careful about having kids. However, it won't make your absurd claim - from which you based an entire post - any less flawed or anything other than nonsensical old timey bull****.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I don't mind opening up my wallet so long as I know where my money is going to go. I don't mind my county taxes increasing if that's what it takes to provide healthy meals for school kids.

    Taking kids away from their parents is the very last resort.
    I'm not sure leaving them in a home that doesn't feed them is the best of choices either...

    but yeah.. i don't have too much problem feeding the hungry kids.... though i'm not sure why feeding every child should be mandated.

    in any event, this is just one more case, in a long line of cases, where the responsibility of parents is being usurped by schools/the state.

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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Key emphasis - aren't doing their part. And how will further removing them from doing their part solve the problem? The fact is, the government has been further removing them from doing their part for decades. Repeating the same policies that have created the problem is insane.

    The fact is, we now are seeing school districts, if not teachers, confiscating parent supplied lunches as if it was some contraband. This is being done because the government has decided they know what is best for the children, as opposed to the parents. Again, this is insane.

    Throwing in the towel and letting the wholesale take over of nutrition to the government because nobody has come up with a better solution falls into the same insane category.
    I wouldn't mind seeing some citation for the lunch confiscation you describe (barring that there's nothing particularly hazardous with the parent supplied lunch - for example, spoilage).

    I have no idea how you came-up with the term, "Throwing in the towel and letting the wholesale take over of nutrition to the government". You seem to be conflating another concern with the topic of this thread, which is 'free lunch'.
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