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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I have and they're irrelevant to the claims I have made. The US birth rate is still substantially lower than that of any other point in US history. Do you really want to go down this road?
    Do you really want to go down this road when the topic is school lunches and who gets them?

    Your on the wrong thread for your population meme.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Children's protective services are underfunded, and in most places, case workers are overwhelmed. Too often we give only lip service to the notion that our children are our future.
    Agreed.

    Before my daughter went back exclusively to full-time nursing, she worked several pro-bono stints as an intake psychologist in an ER at a very large hospital on the border of some of the worst neighborhoods in the country, including what's thought to be the top gun-murder neighborhood in the country.

    She thought she'd have the hardest time dealing face-to-face with murderers and rapists (not figuratively, but literally - she didn't know if she could handle it professionally), but it turned-out the cases that gave her the most nightmares & heartbreak were those where she had to decide to place kids with DCFS, particularly in those cases where the areas were grey, but troubling.

    Why?

    Because DCFS (here, at least) is essentially a sentence to a high probability of a sub-standard life.

    And she agonized constantly over the decisions of placement in those cases where there was a potential or demonstrated domestic parental risk which might be monitored & rectified, vs sending the child on an irrevocable path through the bureaucracy of DCFS where the outcomes are statistically poor.

    For these & other reasons, she ended-up going back into helping people through their bodies, rather than their minds.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well absolutely the state needs to take away neglected kids for their good. So using the pejorative "wards of the state" I don't know why you would say that, absolutely the kids should be seized.
    The point I was attempting to make, is that it's easier to provide nutritious lunch for the kids, than to attempt to solve the parental problem with criminal charges & punishment (not that punishment shouldn't be done, but it still doesn't solve the problem of the kids being neglected).

    I was also attempting to show taking custody of the child is an expensive proposition, that often has a poor outcome for the child as well.

    Laws are not about deference they're about punishment
    True.

    But removing a parent still doesn't help the kid.

    Providing a good school environment does.

    That's the whole point of free lunch (and this thread).
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Only when the government becomes the only approved vendor.

    Indeed WTF?
    Then please, feel free to step-up and buy the kids lunch!

    If you & your buddies did this, we wouldn't have to use my tax dollars.

    Barring your doing this, what's your solution?
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Do you really want to go down this road when the topic is school lunches and who gets them?
    YOU brought up some old timey bull**** about how thought people were back in some fictional fairy tale land as it regarded having kids, I corrected it. You seem to have an issue with it for whatever reason. It's okay to admit you made something up based on nothing more than old timey bull****.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post

    That's the whole point of free lunch (and this thread).
    no, the point is it's free lunch AND free breakfast. if someone has a child that they cannot afford to pay to feed more than ONE meal a day perhaps that child should be removed from those parents. at any rate I'm sure nobody checks up to see if these parents do or do not actually have the money to feed their own child(and to me anyone who has a child they can't afford to raise is already an irresponsible moron), and I imagine even if a child could afford his own food the other kids would beat him up for being "the rich kid".

    the point is the program is flawed and we wish there was a way to control the spending in that area when obviously money is being wasted. and since I pay taxes just like you I get to complain about it. if you want to smile and keep opening your wallet to pay up....good for you.

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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Then please, feel free to step-up and buy the kids lunch!

    If you & your buddies did this, we wouldn't have to use my tax dollars.

    Barring your doing this, what's your solution?
    Oh, I don't know. Perhaps the solution is the same one that allowed human beings to survive all these years. Something along the lines of requiring parents to feed their children, as opposed to given them reason not to.
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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    YOU brought up some old timey bull**** about how thought people were back in some fictional fairy tale land as it regarded having kids, I corrected it. You seem to have an issue with it for whatever reason. It's okay to admit you made something up based on nothing more than old timey bull****.




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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    no, the point is it's free lunch AND free breakfast. if someone has a child that they cannot afford to pay to feed more than ONE meal a day perhaps that child should be removed from those parents. at any rate I'm sure nobody checks up to see if these parents do or do not actually have the money to feed their own child(and to me anyone who has a child they can't afford to raise is already an irresponsible moron), and I imagine even if a child could afford his own food the other kids would beat him up for being "the rich kid".

    the point is the program is flawed and we wish there was a way to control the spending in that area when obviously money is being wasted. and since I pay taxes just like you I get to complain about it. if you want to smile and keep opening your wallet to pay up....good for you.
    I don't mind opening up my wallet so long as I know where my money is going to go. I don't mind my county taxes increasing if that's what it takes to provide healthy meals for school kids.

    Taking kids away from their parents is the very last resort.

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    Re: In Baltimore schools, free meals for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Oh, I don't know. Perhaps the solution is the same one that allowed human beings to survive all these years. Something along the lines of requiring parents to feed their children, as opposed to given them reason not to.
    Comon', 'ocean515' - we're long gone from 17th century 30 year lifespans, and 1/3 infant & 2/3 childhood mortality rates! No one would accept them today. A lot of children DIDN'T survive at all in the centuries past. In fact most, not some, but MOST didn't make it through birth, childhood, and into adulthood!

    The point (today) is, some of these parents aren't doing what they should.

    I hear your complaints, but once again - "What's your solution"?

    (NOT, "What's your Utopian Dream?")
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