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Missouri Reports Wide Racial Disparity in Traffic Stops

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/us/big-disparity-for-blacks-pulled-over-in-missouri.html?ref=us

The data also showed that although blacks were more likely to be stopped and searched than whites, they were less likely to be found with contraband than whites, the report said. Nearly 27 percent of whites who were searched possessed something illegal, compared with 21 percent of blacks.

The figures represent the largest disparity in stops between black and white drivers since the state began keeping records in 2000, and came in the year that the killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., sparked a national conversation about race and policing.
Thoughts?
 
My first thought is that if your problem areas are heavily populated by blacks then that's where you're going to be focusing your enforcement.
 

" Blacks lives matter ".....well unless its another Black male who's responsible for taking them

I mean lets not focus on the much larger issue of Black on Black violence and keep massaging this manufactured narrative thats led to every inner city in America being one ALLEGATION of Police misconduct away from a full on riot.

Thats led to the a marked increase in deaths and violence and crime because Police departments have been neutered by Obama's DoJ and low lifes like Al Sharpton.

Wow....only in Obama's America can this be a reality.
 
To those of us who grew up in the Deep South, the racial profiling and over-policing of blacks is no surprise. Unfortunately, many (and IMO most) whites down there think that's the way it should be....

Lol !!!

Wow, its like you warp back to the1950s every time one of these threads turns up.

If you or any person of color were " profiled " in the " Deep South " it was most likely by a Democrat

Regardless, your incessant whining over supposed " Southern racist " isn't really addressing the REAL issue of Black on Black violence and inner citys turning into even more of a warzone than they already were

Its like you PRETEND to be concerned with racial inequality when in fact, the repeated irresponsible race baiting than you're known is just making things worse.
 
My first thought is that if your problem areas are heavily populated by blacks then that's where you're going to be focusing your enforcement.

Seems to me that white people are statistically more of a problem, according to this data.
 
Lol !!!

Wow, its like you warp back to the1950s every time one of these threads turns up.

If you or any person of color were " profiled " in the " Deep South " it was most likely by a Democrat

Regardless, your incessant whining over supposed " Southern racist " isn't really addressing the REAL issue of Black on Black violence and inner citys turning into even more of a warzone than they already were

Its like you PRETEND to be concerned with racial inequality when in fact, the repeated irresponsible race baiting than you're known is just making things worse.

Why am I not surprised that it's you who posted this ignorant claptrap? But I'm not going to argue with you about it because I know that you will simply refuse to consider any information that doesn't fit into your right-wing-echo-chamber worldview. There are some people that it's just not worth the time and effort....
 
" Blacks lives matter ".....well unless its another Black male who's responsible for taking them

I mean lets not focus on the much larger issue of Black on Black violence and keep massaging this manufactured narrative thats led to every inner city in America being one ALLEGATION of Police misconduct away from a full on riot.

Thats led to the a marked increase in deaths and violence and crime because Police departments have been neutered by Obama's DoJ and low lifes like Al Sharpton.

Wow....only in Obama's America can this be a reality.
I think it's fascinating that whenever one of these cons references "Black on Black" crime they always forget to mention that such crimes get investigated instead of glossed over. They certainly are selectively forgetful...
 
Why am I not surprised that it's you who posted this ignorant claptrap? But I'm not going to argue with you about it because I know that you will simply refuse to consider any information that doesn't fit into your right-wing-echo-chamber worldview. There are some people that it's just not worth the time and effort....

The clap trap is what you launch into evetime a thread like this pops up.

No matter how guilty you feel or pretend to feel, its not going to help address the growing problem of Black on Black violence in inner city areas.
 
My first thought is that if your problem areas are heavily populated by blacks then that's where you're going to be focusing your enforcement.

From the article:

The data also showed that although blacks were more likely to be stopped and searched than whites, they were less likely to be found with contraband than whites, the report said. Nearly 27 percent of whites who were searched possessed something illegal, compared with 21 percent of blacks.

Perhaps the "problem area" is being misidentified?
 
The clap trap is what you launch into evetime a thread like this pops up.

No matter how guilty you feel or pretend to feel, its not going to help address the growing problem of Black on Black violence in inner city areas.

And here's what's wrong with your claim: black-on-black homicide is about 91 percent...and white-on-white homicide is at about 84 percent. In other words, your claim is essentially meaningless.

Not only that, but here's this, too:

- Black-on-Black homicides have decreased by 67% in 20 years, a sharper rate of decrease than white on white homicide.

- According to FBI statistics 7361 Blacks were killed by fellow African-Americans in 1991. In 2011, it dropped dramatically to 2447 African-Americans.

- Among Black youth, rates of robbery and serious property offenses are the lowest in more than 40 years.

And:

INCIDENTS OF VIOLENT CRIME VICTIMIZATION PER 1,000 INDIVIDUALS AGE 12 AND OLDER
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So get over yourself, guy. And watch the nation get browner despite all your futile protestations....
 
From the article:



Perhaps the "problem area" is being misidentified?

And perhaps the dude that put the data together said just what I did in the article.
 
And here's what's wrong with your claim: black-on-black homicide is about 91 percent...and white-on-white homicide is at about 84 percent. In other words, your claim is essentially meaningless.

Not only that, but here's this, too:

- Black-on-Black homicides have decreased by 67% in 20 years, a sharper rate of decrease than white on white homicide.

- According to FBI statistics 7361 Blacks were killed by fellow African-Americans in 1991. In 2011, it dropped dramatically to 2447 African-Americans.

- Among Black youth, rates of robbery and serious property offenses are the lowest in more than 40 years.

And:

INCIDENTS OF VIOLENT CRIME VICTIMIZATION PER 1,000 INDIVIDUALS AGE 12 AND OLDER
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So get over yourself, guy. And watch the nation get browner despite all your futile protestations....

You left some out some statistics.

I'm surprised considering how much you seem to care about the plight of the African American population....

According to the FBI, Blacks accounted for 13 percent of the Population but accounted for 50 percent of all homicides.

Thats 4 times the National average and 8 times the average of the White Homicide rate.

Black Teens are 25 percent more likely to be injured by Gun violence than their white counter parts.

And the disparity is growing. Especially since the Obama administration and idiot White Liberals started to push this " racist cop " false narrative.

You see, its not White neighborhoods that have been under decades of Democrat party control that are seeing exponential increases in shooting deaths.

Its inner city areas populated by Blacks that are. Neighborhoods that have struggled with poverty, crime and dependency for decades have gotten even more dangerous.

But keep bringing up irrelevant statistics so this issue, the REAL issue can continue to be ignored.
 
You left some out some statistics.

I'm surprised considering how much you seem to care about the plight of the African American population....

According to the FBI, Blacks accounted for 13 percent of the Population but accounted for 50 percent of all homicides.

Thats 4 times the National average and 8 times the average of the White Homicide rate.

Black Teens are 25 percent more likely to be injured by Gun violence than their white counter parts.

And the disparity is growing. Especially since the Obama administration and idiot White Liberals started to push this " racist cop " false narrative.

You see, its not White neighborhoods that have been under decades of Democrat party control that are seeing exponential increases in shooting deaths.

Its inner city areas populated by Blacks that are. Neighborhoods that have struggled with poverty, crime and dependency for decades have gotten even more dangerous.

But keep bringing up irrelevant statistics so this issue, the REAL issue can continue to be ignored.

You can't frisk someone for a homicide.
 
Seems to me that white people are statistically more of a problem, according to this data.

What the statistics say is you will have a 25% chance of finding contraband if you search someone during a traffic stop.
 
how about a chart comparing arrests to population density..
 
You left some out some statistics.

I'm surprised considering how much you seem to care about the plight of the African American population....

According to the FBI, Blacks accounted for 13 percent of the Population but accounted for 50 percent of all homicides.

Thats 4 times the National average and 8 times the average of the White Homicide rate.

Black Teens are 25 percent more likely to be injured by Gun violence than their white counter parts.

And the disparity is growing. Especially since the Obama administration and idiot White Liberals started to push this " racist cop " false narrative.

You see, its not White neighborhoods that have been under decades of Democrat party control that are seeing exponential increases in shooting deaths.

Its inner city areas populated by Blacks that are. Neighborhoods that have struggled with poverty, crime and dependency for decades have gotten even more dangerous.


But keep bringing up irrelevant statistics so this issue, the REAL issue can continue to be ignored.


You do realize "white neighborhoods" in a city and the "black inner city area" are usually both controlled by the same people, right? Or do whites magically create their own separate city run by Republicans while the Democrats only handle the problem minority city within the same city? :lol:

Actually I'd like to see some statistics on small "white" towns on their meth use. Probably seeing exponential increases in the use and crime related to it. But I'm sure those towns are all ran by evil liberals.
 
You do realize "white neighborhoods" in a city and the "black inner city area" are usually both controlled by the same people, right? Or do whites magically create their own separate city run by Republicans while the Democrats only handle the problem minority city within the same city? :lol:

Actually I'd like to see some statistics on small "white" towns on their meth use. Probably seeing exponential increases in the use and crime related to it. But I'm sure those towns are all ran by evil liberals.
They real skew with the Meth use is rural towns don't have the same law enforcement and prosecutorial resources that big towns do , in Washington.possessing meth and crack are the same crime, but blacks who possess crack go to jail longer then whites with meth, I always wondered if part of the reason is in places like where I live (Mason County) where meth is a problem the meth users are catch and release because what are you going to do with them? Whereas in King County (Seattle) which is very racially diverse there is a lot more money for prosecuting people and jailing them

I want a study on that
 
They real skew with the Meth use is rural towns don't have the same law enforcement and prosecutorial resources that big towns do , in Washington.possessing meth and crack are the same crime, but blacks who possess crack go to jail longer then whites with meth, I always wondered if part of the reason is in places like where I live (Mason County) where meth is a problem the meth users are catch and release because what are you going to do with them? Whereas in King County (Seattle) which is very racially diverse there is a lot more money for prosecuting people and jailing them

I want a study on that

That would be an interesting study.
 
The quote being...?

Figures. No sense in reading the article, right?

Scott H. Decker, a criminology professor at Arizona State University who was the lead analyst for the report, said it was too difficult to draw conclusions on things like racial bias because the numbers do not control for things like the racial composition of the motorists driving through a particular municipality or whether the city is on a highway. But with 15 years of data, he said it was worth exploring the findings more closely to see if patterns emerged.

Also from the article -

Kenneth J. Novak, a criminology professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, said it was difficult to interpret disparity data without knowing where the police were deploying their resources. When the police presence is greater in places with high proportions of African-Americans, that most likely would lead to blacks having more interactions with the police, he wrote in an email.
 
From the article:



Perhaps the "problem area" is being misidentified?

So the article says blacks were found to have contraband 21% of the time. Does that mean blacks should no longer be stopped?

What is the purpose of this article other than to show blacks are found with contraband 21% of the time and in a heavily black area, that is a lot of instances.
 
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