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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Their dress code is unreasonably and unduly restrictive. That's the point. They are allowed, within reasonable limits, to determine a dress code. They do not have an unlimited right to do that.
    no it wasn't. it was perfectly fine. not having someone wear head gear is a reasonable limit for a dress code.
    they have the right to define what their employee's wear.

    just like she can't wear a burka and expect to get a job. he conflicts with the brand and look of what the company is trying to produce.
    this was a 100% wrong decision the part of the court.

    not wearing headgear is a perfectly reasonable standard of dress.

    next I guess I guess they will have to supply her with a prayer mat and a foot washing station since those are to you reasonable requests as well.
    in which they are not. nor is it reasonable for her to take 5 breaks in a day.

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Interesting. I don't allow hats, jewelry, baggy pants or footwear other than boots in my shop. Anyone I hire has to be able to represent my company to my customers, and that includes appropriate dress and cleanliness. It's an auto repair shop. I provide ripstop scrub shirts, gloves and fender covers. I expect my employees to be as clean as possible. I don't care if a necklace has a crucifix on it or not (I am Christian), it is a safety hazard working around equipment like brake lathes. No wedding rings either. They are a good way to lose a finger in this field. As the owner I expect my employees to dress in a way that fits our marketing. It's not about religion, it's about representing the employer's marketing.

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by coyotedelmar View Post
    A&F didn't really help themselves with a pretty dumb argument for their side, boiling down to "well, how are we supposed to know they are wearing a head scarf for religious reasons?" Maybe I'm not knowledge on recent fashion, but I never recall head scarfs being worn for reasons besides religion or related to religion (e.g. doing a show/play/etc. where a character is a Muslim woman).
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it also means that the business has to be able to read the persons brain before hand to know if it is a religious item or not. please tell me how any employer can do that.
    That is why questions were invented.

    AF went with a horrible defense. their defense is that we have a dress code policy that requires this look due to our brand that we have with the company.
    wearing any kind of head gear would not support that brand and there is the possibility of financial loss.
    So they were saying that Muslims should not wear their brand?
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Well, that's true. But my point is that it is the employer who decides the dress code. So my Hooters would have waitresses with tear-away jerseys.
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Since I've never been in AF, I wonder whether it is a requirement that employees only wear clothing that is sold in AF. If so, that would be about the only way they could have won this case. Having a clothing store setting requirements for the clothing worn by employees does not seem unreasonable to me.

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    why is honesty a bad thing?
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Why is honesty a bad thing?
    Honestly isn't a bad thing. It's not dishonest to tell people there were other, better qualified candidates, assuming you're attempting to hire the best qualified candidate. But getting sued and having to spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars defending against a federal lawsuit through appeals to the Supreme Court is a bad thing, so if you're going to discriminate against someone for the manner in which they dress it would be advisable to keep your mouth shut.
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    But the job she applied for was that of a store "model". If you hire a model they should have to dress the way you want them to dress. That is the job.

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