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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I understand that none probably have and why... but it seems that a stink could be made about so many things. Why not just adhere to what the emplyoer wants, as long as it is reasonable.
    actually one did and they settled out of court.
    it was stupid.

    here is the real kicker wait till these men try to get a job at hooters because they think they are women. that lawsuit is going to really be screwed up and you will have
    people up in arms because hooters wants real women to work for them not fake.

    you just wait it is coming.

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Why cant a private employer ban headgear?
    I've done hiring and the first thing you learn is never tell an applicant anything other than "Thanks for your interest. There were other, better qualified applicants."
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they didn't hire her because her headscarf was not part of their dress code policy.
    it also interfered with their brand and look.

    the SCOTUS got this 100% wrong as usual.
    It might be a bad law but after reading the ruling, I'm pretty convinced by the court's logic. Title VII is pretty specific about what constitutes religious belief and practice.

    Here's a link to Scalia's ruling if you want. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...14-86_p86b.pdf
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    It might be a bad law but after reading the ruling, I'm pretty convinced by the court's logic. Title VII is pretty specific about what constitutes religious belief and practice.

    Here's a link to Scalia's ruling if you want. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...14-86_p86b.pdf
    Either way a business should have the right to determine how the people are going to work for them are dressed. with this ruling that is no longer the case.
    it also means that the business has to be able to read the persons brain before hand to know if it is a religious item or not. please tell me how any employer can do that.

    AF went with a horrible defense. their defense is that we have a dress code policy that requires this look due to our brand that we have with the company.
    wearing any kind of head gear would not support that brand and there is the possibility of financial loss.

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I've done hiring and the first thing you learn is never tell an applicant anything other than "Thanks for your interest. There were other, better qualified applicants."
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    with this ruling that is no longer the case.
    it also means that the business has to be able to read the persons brain before hand to know if it is a religious item or not. please tell me how any employer can do that.
    I do agree with that. I don't know how the court concluded that there was no knowledge requirement. Alito's concurrence there demonstrated well that there should've been. It makes no sense that a business can be held liable without knowing beforehand that something was a religious item or practice and the other party not making them aware of it.
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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    They should be allowed to not hire her for wearing a head scarf, having tattoos or a guy with long hair or dreds... this decision is ****ed up.
    I agree. A private employer should be able to hire anyone they want, and not hire someone they don't want, based on anything which is not constitutionally discriminatory. Having a dress code does not violate constitutional protections. It's silly. What if my religion prevented me from covering my legs, so I wanted to come to work wearing short-shorts? Or a man had a full beard because of his religion, and the company in question insisted upon clean-cut, short-haired individuals?

    A truly foolish, facepalm decision, disheartening at the Supreme Court level.

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Muslim women probably aren't going to be applying for such a job given their religious dress code.
    There are Jews in name only and cafeteria Christians. Why not someone who is a Muslim in name only or a feminist masquerading a Muslim trying to ruin or shut down a business?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I've done hiring and the first thing you learn is never tell an applicant anything other than "Thanks for your interest. There were other, better qualified applicants."
    Same here... Lesson #1: You never give the real reason.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of Muslim woman in suit against Abercrombie and Fitch

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I agree. A private employer should be able to hire anyone they want, and not hire someone they don't want, based on anything which is not constitutionally discriminatory. Having a dress code does not violate constitutional protections. It's silly. What if my religion prevented me from covering my legs, so I wanted to come to work wearing short-shorts? Or a man had a full beard because of his religion, and the company in question insisted upon clean-cut, short-haired individuals?

    A truly foolish, facepalm decision, disheartening at the Supreme Court level.
    ...and then some use the SCOTUS Decisions as gospel of how it SHOULD BE only because that is how it is, due to a poor Decision...
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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