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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

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    This is the result of his rules of engagement. As the quote said. Any administration, that has a systemic rules of engagement, cannot be written for every possible scenario. It isn't humanly possible. I bet the same thing happened under Busch. It doesn't matter what party you are in, it has to do with the approach you take to the war. Some document, listing out rules to engage, creates what just happened. Not a democratic president, not a republican president, but a president that tries to systematically deal with enemy encounters. The best, is to put those decisions in the hands of the pilots.
    And civilian casualties would go through the roof.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That has nothing to do with our obligations. Killing civilians to spare civilians doesn't just lack reason, it violates principles that we're suppose to at least, care about.
    False. Killing the ISIS barbarians that are slaughtering civilians should be our goal. Minimization of collateral damage should be an operational goal, but it is unavoidable. Sitting back and watching ISIS rape and murder its way across Iraq for fear of collateral damage make no sense at all and isn't appreciated by the civilians you want to keep from harm.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    False. Killing the ISIS barbarians that are slaughtering civilians should be our goal. Minimization of collateral damage should be an operational goal, but it is unavoidable. Sitting back and watching ISIS rape and murder its way across Iraq for fear of collateral damage make no sense at all and isn't appreciated by the civilians you want to keep from harm.
    "Hey guys...we're hear to help...don't mind the pile of burnt bodies from our bombs"....good luck spinning that message.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    "Hey guys...we're hear to help...don't mind the pile of burnt bodies from our bombs"....good luck spinning that message.
    Unbelievable isn't it?

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    U.S. military pilots carrying out the air war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria are voicing growing discontent over what they say are heavy-handed rules of engagement hindering them from striking targets.

    They blame a bureaucracy that does not allow for quick decision-making. One Navy F-18 pilot who has flown missions against ISIS voiced his frustration to Fox News, saying: "There were times I had groups of ISIS fighters in my sights, but couldn't get clearance to engage.”

    He added, “They probably killed innocent people and spread evil because of my inability to kill them. It was frustrating."


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    Talk about frustrating. The chump in chief puts our forces in harms way and then wont let them kill the enemy. The "JV" team WANTS to die, and I want our military to oblige them.

    Nothing substantive is going to happen until Obama is out of the whitehouse-that dog wont hunt.
    Pilots have been complaining about overly restrictive rules of engagement since Vietnam. There's nothing new under the sun there.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    False. Killing the ISIS barbarians that are slaughtering civilians should be our goal. Minimization of collateral damage should be an operational goal, but it is unavoidable. Sitting back and watching ISIS rape and murder its way across Iraq for fear of collateral damage make no sense at all and isn't appreciated by the civilians you want to keep from harm.
    Advocating killing civilians to stop the Islamic State is your pipe dream, but it's not going to happen, and the pilots can pout all they wish.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    "Hey guys...we're hear to help...don't mind the pile of burnt bodies from our bombs"....good luck spinning that message.
    "Hey guys, here are the burned bodies of the men who an hour ago were raping and beheading you, we regret that some of you were caught in the blast." Easy sell.

    Throughout modern history you can find populations who will readily excuse the collateral damage that happened in the course of their liberation.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its a show, to appear to be doing something.
    Oh sorry I didn't realize those were pretend bombs.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Nothing in the laws of war requires us to take extreme measures to avoid civilian casualties. Only reasonable care is required. An enemy does not gain a safe haven for himself by sheltering among civilians. Doing that is itself a war crime, and the enemy bears full responsibility for any civilians killed as a result.
    And I think "have a process to verify a target before dropping a bomb" is reasonable, don't you?
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Advocating killing civilians to stop the Islamic State is your pipe dream, but it's not going to happen, and the pilots can pout all they wish.
    I'm not advocating killing civilians. Civilians are going to die at the hands of ISIS, it is a matter of whether killing ISIS will allow more civilians to live versus letting ISIS run amok.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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