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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

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    U.S. military pilots carrying out the air war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria are voicing growing discontent over what they say are heavy-handed rules of engagement hindering them from striking targets.

    They blame a bureaucracy that does not allow for quick decision-making. One Navy F-18 pilot who has flown missions against ISIS voiced his frustration to Fox News, saying: "There were times I had groups of ISIS fighters in my sights, but couldn't get clearance to engage.”

    He added, “They probably killed innocent people and spread evil because of my inability to kill them. It was frustrating."


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    Talk about frustrating. The chump in chief puts our forces in harms way and then wont let them kill the enemy. The "JV" team WANTS to die, and I want our military to oblige them.

    Nothing substantive is going to happen until Obama is out of the whitehouse-that dog wont hunt.
    This kind of thing happens whenever you try to provide rules and guidelines of engagement, rather than putting that responsibility on the pilot. It would happen to any pilot, regardless of who is in charge, assuming rules of engagement are created.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Surrender to the terrorists."



    Man, the rhetoric you guys get fed.
    What is US Conservative going to do after Obama is out of office. He is obsessed with him to the point of lunacy. I can't wait to see.

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    That would be a start. If you want to stop ISIS instead of play Air Force you'll need to ramp up the collateral damage.
    Well, I see they are coming out of the woodwork on this one.

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    This kind of thing happens whenever you try to provide rules and guidelines of engagement, rather than putting that responsibility on the pilot. It would happen to any pilot, regardless of who is in charge, assuming rules of engagement are created.
    The difference is we are losing to terrorists here, and are led by a POTUS who doesn't want to be there-because actually fighting would mean he was wrong to withdraw, and refer to them as the JV team.

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    What is US Conservative going to do after Obama is out of office. He is obsessed with him to the point of lunacy. I can't wait to see.
    After he is out of office, I think like most Americans I will do my best to remove him from my memory. Its been a traumatic experience for most Americans.

    It will be a happier time, where Americans are reminded what a real president is-most likely.

    ISIS will actually be substantively engaged-but it wont happen until this goon is out. That dog wont hunt.

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Well, I see they are coming out of the woodwork on this one.
    The substantive solution is the path Obama has ruled out-ground troops to gain and hold territory.

    It will end with a reoccupation. Wars are won in such ways.

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The difference is we are losing to terrorists here, and are led by a POTUS who doesn't want to be there-because actually fighting would mean he was wrong to withdraw, and refer to them as the JV team.
    This is the result of his rules of engagement. As the quote said. Any administration, that has a systemic rules of engagement, cannot be written for every possible scenario. It isn't humanly possible. I bet the same thing happened under Busch. It doesn't matter what party you are in, it has to do with the approach you take to the war. Some document, listing out rules to engage, creates what just happened. Not a democratic president, not a republican president, but a president that tries to systematically deal with enemy encounters. The best, is to put those decisions in the hands of the pilots.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    This is the result of his rules of engagement. As the quote said. Any administration, that has a systemic rules of engagement, cannot be written for every possible scenario. It isn't humanly possible. I bet the same thing happened under Busch. It doesn't matter what party you are in, it has to do with the approach you take to the war. Some document, listing out rules to engage, creates what just happened. Not a democratic president, not a republican president, but a president that tries to systematically deal with enemy encounters. The best, is to put those decisions in the hands of the pilots.
    Its rules of engagement by a commander in chief who does not want to fight. Pilots need to circle for an hour for clearance to engage-thats BS. If our CIC can't get more aggressive-while subjecting our pilots to harm he shouldn't be sending them.

    We know how to fight, we just aren't doing it.

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And how are the civilians fairing under ISIS occupation?
    That has nothing to do with our obligations. Killing civilians to spare civilians doesn't just lack reason, it violates principles that we're suppose to at least, care about.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    That would be a start. If you want to stop ISIS instead of play Air Force you'll need to ramp up the collateral damage.


    Did you just say that?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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