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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    Sadly, too many people REALLY think that way

    Part of the Hippocratic Oath says: "First, do no harm"

    The ability to sleep well after knowing you were trying to impart some small element of civilized behavior in the madness of war far outweighs incurring the blowback from taking out a group of civilians.

    I have at least as much respect for the man who holds his fire & swallows his pride as the pilot who "takes out" a legitimate target & gets a prize.

    The US needs to revamp its Mid East Policy so that America's G.I.s don't have to be in a position to make either decision.


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    You're right, and just look at the way these freaks talk about civilians, dehumanizing them as "collateral damage"!!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, I realize the pilot didn't say anything about civilians in proximity to the "target", why would he mention that. As already pointed out by another poster, this has been pilot complaints since Vietnam. And that's the way it's going to be so long as we're fighting wars in such close proximity to civilians.
    You've made an assumption and claimed it as fact. Par for the course with you.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    I say if you don't turn the war over to our generals and let them fight and win the war bring our troops home and admit defeat. I was almost sent to the Middle East back in the late 70's early 80's to stand on a street corner with a bulls eye painted on me, an unloaded weapon, and orders not to shoot until after being shot. Here we go again.

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    What is US Conservative going to do after Obama is out of office. He is obsessed with him to the point of lunacy. I can't wait to see.
    An all new obsession with Hillary will replace it.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    It's always comical and sad watching how conservative war-hawks always think they are the best Commanding armchair General that every graced the planet. Especially when their answers are always the same... KILL MORE! FASTER!!!!! NO PRECISE TARGET NECESSARY!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    I say if you don't turn the war over to our generals and let them fight and win the war bring our troops home and admit defeat. I was almost sent to the Middle East back in the late 70's early 80's to stand on a street corner with a bulls eye painted on me, an unloaded weapon, and orders not to shoot until after being shot. Here we go again.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Did you just say that?
    Yeah, and I'm not the only one saying it. Here it is put a little more euphemistically:

    American and allied warplanes are equipped with the most precise aerial arsenal ever fielded. But American officials say they are not striking significant, and obvious, Islamic State targets out of fear that the attacks will accidentally kill civilians. Killing such innocents could hand the militants a major propaganda coup and alienate the local Sunni tribesmen, whose support is critical to ousting the militants, and Sunni Arab countries that are part of the fragile American-led coalition.

    But many Iraqi commanders and some American officers say that exercising such prudence with airstrikes is a major reason the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or Daesh, has been able to seize vast territory in recent months in Iraq and Syria. (Did they just say that?)

    U.S. Caution in Strikes Gives ISIS an Edge, Many Iraqis Say
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Yeah, and I'm not the only one saying it. Here it is put a little more euphemistically:
    So some mid level Iraqi officers are critical of the air campaign. So what? What makes you think they have any kind of monopoly on truth?

    The Iraqi army needs to shut up and deal with its' problem. It's their fight. Not ours.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    So some mid level Iraqi officers are critical of the air campaign.
    How did we go from "many Iraqi commanders" mentioned in the article to "some mid level Iraqi officers"? One who's so flip with truth shouldn't be invoking it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    What makes you think they have any kind of monopoly on truth?
    They don't. There are also American officers and pilots saying the same thing. Did you bother reading the New York Times article?
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It's always comical and sad watching how conservative war-hawks always think they are the best Commanding armchair General that every graced the planet. Especially when their answers are always the same... KILL MORE! FASTER!!!!! NO PRECISE TARGET NECESSARY!!!!!!!!!!

    Perhaps Obama would receive less criticism if he wasn't losing?

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