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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We were completely shackled in Vietnam, we couldn't hit the targets that did the most damage, and was one of the reasons things bogged down so heavily. This is how your occupation wars are run. You know this, or at least you should know this. Regardless of administration, this is how occupation wars will go.

    So when we get ready to expand our occupation wars yet again, keep in mind, that this will be the way it is fought.
    Bingo. Wars always have a political component and actions like this are even more political. The situation in the field is not the only consideration. Hell it may not even be the most important consideration.

    People would be well advised to remember that before asking our troops to fight someone else's war.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    and all I'm saying is don't create any vacuums to begin with!
    There wasn't a vacuum as it was filled with coalition peace keepers. There wasn't an vacuum until those troops were withdrawn.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You and me? None, I expect.

    USAF? Quite a few.
    What's the number for the USAF? Do you have it on hand or are you assuming?
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    What's the number? Do you have it on hand or are you assuming?
    Google says about 6000 killed by coalition airstrikes.
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    You know her?

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It certainly isn't to argue for boots on the ground as your represent. Pilots, according to the op are frustrated that they can't drop a bomb every time they spot (what they think to be ) an Islamic State fighter. Sorry, but there's reasons for rules of engagement, and like them, you'll just have to deal with it.
    You are lying about the OP now too? You are on a roll, Montecresto!
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    There wasn't a vacuum as it was filled with coalition peace keepers. There wasn't an vacuum until those troops were withdrawn.
    Removing Saddam Hussein created a power vacuum that radicalized many, invited AQ in and resulted in a sharp rise in global terrorism, as well as making us less safe according to the 2006 NIE. So what you think, really doesn't matter.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You are lying about the OP now too? You are on a roll, Montecresto!
    Then you can't read.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then you can't read.
    Nope, You have misstated the article and the testimony provided. The quoted pilot said NOTHING about the shoot being delayed for civilians in the area, you also said that they"wanted to engage whenever they thought they saw an Islmaic fighter" which is a lie, the pilot only said that there was a time when there was a GROUP of ISIS fighters and there was a delay in authorization that lost him the target. No statement for why there was a delay in that case, only that here was a delay. The named sources interviewed in that article started clearly that the delays were unacceptable and not typical any other air campaign.

    The closest you get in that article to your point of view is an unnamed source who still doesn't corroborate your version of what the pilot said.
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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope, You have misstated the article and the testimony provided. The quoted pilot said NOTHING about the shoot being delayed for civilians in the area, you also said that they"wanted to engage whenever they thought they saw an Islmaic fighter" which is a lie, the pilot only said that there was a time when there was a GROUP of ISIS fighters and there was a delay in authorization that lost him the target. No statement for why there was a delay in that case, only that here was a delay. The named sources interviewed in that article started clearly that the delays were unacceptable and not typical any other air campaign.

    The closest you get in that article to your point of view is an unnamed source who still doesn't corroborate your version of what the pilot said.
    Oh, I realize the pilot didn't say anything about civilians in proximity to the "target", why would he mention that. As already pointed out by another poster, this has been pilot complaints since Vietnam. And that's the way it's going to be so long as we're fighting wars in such close proximity to civilians.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If only there were fewer rules in place to prevent bombing civilians.

    Sadly, too many people REALLY think that way

    Part of the Hippocratic Oath says: "First, do no harm"

    The ability to sleep well after knowing you were trying to impart some small element of civilized behavior in the madness of war far outweighs incurring the blowback from taking out a group of civilians.

    I have at least as much respect for the man who holds his fire & swallows his pride as the pilot who "takes out" a legitimate target & gets a prize.

    The US needs to revamp its Mid East Policy so that America's G.I.s don't have to be in a position to make either decision.


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