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Americans Continue to Shift Left on Key Moral Issues - GALLUP

No, most liberals I know think they are moderates. Those far enough removed to admit they aren't moderate are far enough left that they're nowhere near the middle. ;)


What's the litmus test, in your opinion, for being slightly liberal?
 
What's the litmus test, in your opinion, for being slightly liberal?

It's a label you have given yourself, maybe you should define it.
 
It's a label you have given yourself, maybe you should define it.

I did.That's why I ask if there was a "litmus test"so I could tell if I was mistaken or not.
 
Not really, given the deterioration of the country that liberals moan about the conservative can just point at these statistics and say "told ya so."

This is on par with progressives cheering the increasing progressive lean of the American public school system over the last 40 years while also decrying the piss poor performance of American schools.

Another right wing vote for the sky is falling.

hilarious.
 
Most of these don't surprise me. The US has been shifting left on social issues for a long time... and to the benefit of all people with the exception of rigid reactionary extreme right wingers. What I find interesting is that as social issues have gone left, these social issues have allowed more personal freedom for people... something that extreme right wingers often claim is the hallmark of their position. It is not surprising that we see hypocrisy from that extreme portion of the conservative block.

The two that surprised me were suicide and abortion. I was surprised to see the moral support for suicide go up and for the moral support for abortion go up only slightly.

The world moves to the socially left as lines of communication open up and people can get the words from the horses mouth rather than taking authoritarians' words for it.

For example, now that gay marriage has been in effect for several years in this country in one place or another and people see that the ground isn't opening up and swallowing us whole and the four horsemen aren't riding in from the horizon people see truth. It's harder to preach fear into an educated populace.
 
No, most liberals I know think they are moderates. Those far enough removed to admit they aren't moderate are far enough left that they're nowhere near the middle. ;)

I'd bet that 90% of Americans would identify themselves as being in the middle... that is until you ask them what they think about individual policies. The political intellectual lazy's tend to deploy a touch of narcissism when answering that question rather than political knowledge.

Not saying there aren't people in the middle. Just saying most people have not a clue as to where they are seated so they, by default, say the middle.
 
So, more proof of the Moral Decline of the US. Clearly our time is limited as with any Democracy when the voting public becomes morally decayed. It is a clear sign of the spread of a pandemic of selfishness and the placement of personal hedonistic desires, or even materialistic desires, above morality. We are now and have been becoming a nation of instant gratification, whether good or evil, and of "what's in it for me" for a long while now. How much time do we have left? God only knows and he hasn't been directly speaking to us for awhile (Since we nailed his son to a cross, go figure).

Another right-wing chicken little story.
 
yet has been around since the 1800's. it is actually pretty intelligent.

That's your test of intelligence? How long something's been around? You must worship the intellect of incestuous behavior then.
 
I go to a huge high school in a southern state and even my most conservative friends identify as socially liberal. I often hear the phrase "I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal so I'm a libertarian". Despite them not know what a libertarian is, they line up on the left socially. The republicans need to change their stance on gay marriage and fast because they will lose a large portion of the young vote.
 
The republicans need to change their stance on gay marriage and fast because they will lose a large portion of the young vote.

They should change their perspective, but not because of the young vote. They should do it at the very least because the persons that are likely to vote, donate, and organize are increasingly becoming in favor of it. Young people have almost never made the difference for a Party. Liberals for a while tried to say that young people made the difference in '08 and '12, but there was substantial evidence mounted which showed that a lot of individual pieces fell together to make the difference more than young people. Young people are not good indicators for power shifts, in large part, because they do not vote. Liberals had to learn that lesson in 1968 and in 1972, and they will have to continue to be reminded of that in the early 20th century.
 
They should change their perspective, but not because of the young vote. They should do it at the very least because the persons that are likely to vote, donate, and organize are increasingly becoming in favor of it. Young people have almost never made the difference for a Party. Liberals for a while tried to say that young people made the difference in '08 and '12, but there was substantial evidence mounted which showed that a lot of individual pieces fell together to make the difference more than young people. Young people are not good indicators for power shifts, in large part, because they do not vote. Liberals had to learn that lesson in 1968 and in 1972, and they will have to continue to be reminded of that in the early 20th century.

Young people do have the tendency to get older.
 
A huge problem i see with American society today is its hidden unconscious bias towards retarded people, muslim people, fat people, ugly people, ghetto people, war veterans, even cops. Everyone can sense it. But hardly ever sees it. Until you start to read comments on the internet and realize this hidden unconcious bias exists in the majority of people and only the brave or one who truly doesnt give a **** lets it out.

 
Young people do have the tendency to get older.

But only carry portions of their political views over time and only vote once older. The Republican Party will adapt with the times, even if reluctantly. Young people will not be the driving force for that.
 
They should change their perspective, but not because of the young vote. They should do it at the very least because the persons that are likely to vote, donate, and organize are increasingly becoming in favor of it. Young people have almost never made the difference for a Party. Liberals for a while tried to say that young people made the difference in '08 and '12, but there was substantial evidence mounted which showed that a lot of individual pieces fell together to make the difference more than young people. Young people are not good indicators for power shifts, in large part, because they do not vote. Liberals had to learn that lesson in 1968 and in 1972, and they will have to continue to be reminded of that in the early 20th century.

Only because old people cling to their archiac way of voting. We should all be able to put in our state ID and SS to vote from home and all sorts of options. Then old people would be left in the dust.. :D
 
That's your test of intelligence? How long something's been around? You must worship the intellect of incestuous behavior then.

strawman much? this proves how correct the statement is.
 
But only carry portions of their political views over time and only vote once older. The Republican Party will adapt with the times, even if reluctantly. Young people will not be the driving force for that.

I 100% agree with that. I'm just saying it's better for the republicans to adapt sooner rather than later.
 
Wouldn't it be better if it was realised and accepted that life-long coupling isn't 'normal' behaviour for all humans? Western society has made it the norm, or rather the expectation of it has become the norm. To me that's an unrealistic and an unhealthy norm to attempt to impose. The ending of a relationship is always going to be a difficult time in anyone's life, but the pervasive myth of 'till death us do part' is just that for a very large proportion of the population. To my mind the more 'moral' approach would be to make getting married a lot more difficult and a lot less profitable - no state-bestowed financial benefits should accrue - and divorce should be come a lot less stigmatised and legalised. As everyone knows, the involvement of lawyers practically guarantees an acrimonious, stressful and bank-breaking separation.

Marriage as a norm is not limited to Western Society. Read up on the histories of Japan, China, Korea, etc

Marriage is a natural human state
 
I go to a huge high school in a southern state and even my most conservative friends identify as socially liberal. I often hear the phrase "I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal so I'm a libertarian". Despite them not know what a libertarian is, they line up on the left socially. The republicans need to change their stance on gay marriage and fast because they will lose a large portion of the young vote.

Screw catering to the young vote. The role in life you play when you're young is to sit back and learn. You don't get to decide the direction of the Republican Party.

If young straight men are in favor of gay marriage, it just makes me question how soft your generation is.

Go vote for the democrats if you don't like the Republican platform
 
yet we wonder why society continues to drift into the trash can.

Yes if only we could go back to those days when people were moral in America. You know back when we stayed married and commited wholesale genocide against Native Americans. Back to those days when we didn't tolerate gays and enslaved an entire race of people. Back to those days when people waited until they were married before they had sex and we had children working in sweatshops and Jim Crow...

By any measure, we are a more moral and just society today than we have been at anytime in human history. The immoral actions in our society today pale in comparison to what was common place in the past.
 
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