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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Syria happened, then the whole mess fell apart.
    Syria...hmmm...yes...Syria happened. What happened in Syria? Who are we even SUPPORTING in Syria?

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The investment of blood and treasure in the invasion of Iraq just keeps paying dividends, doesn't it?


    Maybe the USA should start building Humvees in Iraq since they're going through so many of them there, eh?

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't vote for Obama, he's the same as Bush and I didn't want another Bush.

    There's no propaganda.
    How long ago did we start this war?
    Neigh 14 years, and in 14 years we've only gone backwards. Sorry that reality isn't something you want to acknowledge, but it doesn't change reality.


    This war started in 1991 when Bush Sr attacked Iraq. That was 24 years ago and we still haven't got the job done.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    A CNN poll now shows more Americans blame Obama and NOT Bush for the Cluster that is current day Iraq.

    Ya think ?

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not pretending anything. Just stating facts. ME is worse off since we intervened. We have stronger and more aggressive terrorist organizations, entire countries falling to terrorist organizations and attacks, and no hope of coming to a solution after nearly 14 years. 14 years. The greatest military on the planet has only gone backwards in 14 years of effort.

    Just a fact.
    Here's another fact: The greatest military in the history of the world is not worth a tinker's damn without the will to use it, and with full force. The U.S. never should have been so fastidious about sparing civilians when bombing military targets--most Iraqis never felt the war directly enough to make them truly believe they had been whipped. They were still full of fight and resentment, and the fact cities in Iraq are sheltering ISIS jhadists suggests that many of them still are. I am sure most Iraqis saw the obsessive concern with preventing civilian casualties as nothing but weakness, because they know they would not have bothered about that if our positions had been reversed.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton;1064681182[B
    ]A CNN poll now shows more Americans blame Obama and NOT Bush for the Cluster that is current day Iraq.

    Ya think ?
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    Nope. Bush Sr. kicked off this mess in 1991 and the USA has gained nothing since then.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    5 years ago, the country was described as stable.
    5 years ago it wasn't stable. Balancing a pin on its point does not mean it's stable. It is in fact unstable. It held for as long as we would be there as a force, but we cannot be there for infinity. This is one of the main failures of the original invasion, we invaded a place that could not stand on its own. It stood so long as there was sufficient force, be that Saddam or some occupying force. But occupying forces are always at a disadvantage, it's a race against the clock. We lost.

    If you're going to topple governments, you need to be able to plan for success afterwards. We did not. So 14 years and we've only gone backwards.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Who is saying that they should be "appeased or accommodated"? What I'm reading is that the war in Iraq was poorly thought out, had no clear goals, and has been a disaster. It would be pretty difficult to argue otherwise, given the situation currently. All that the Republicans can do is say that the Democrats are to blame, and the Democrats have no argument except to throw the blame on Republicans. Guess what? This is not a partisan failure.
    Who? This sorry excuse for a president, that's who. It's clear to many of us that B. Hussein Obama started by bowing and apologizing for this country, and that he has consistently tried to appease Islamic extremists ever since. He probably feels more sympathy for them than he does for Americans. He does not wish this country well and wants to see it humbled. His appeasement of the Islamist thugs who rule Iran has been especially shameful--and dangerous.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Here's another fact: The greatest military in the history of the world is not worth a tinker's damn without the will to use it, and with full force. The U.S. never should have been so fastidious about sparing civilians when bombing military targets--most Iraqis never felt the war directly enough to make them truly believe they had been whipped. They were still full of fight and resentment, and the fact cities in Iraq are sheltering ISIS jhadists suggests that many of them still are. I am sure most Iraqis saw the obsessive concern with preventing civilian casualties as nothing but weakness, because they know they would not have bothered about that if our positions had been reversed.
    That's because our military is not built for imperial policing endeavors, nor should we try to use it as such.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Maybe the USA should start building Humvees in Iraq since they're going through so many of them there, eh?
    Yes, and maybe we could sell them at a discount to ISIS, maybe finance them at zero percent, knock a few thousand off of the sticker price.
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