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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    And just what plan, pray tell, do y'all have, in your preternatural wisdom? Appeasement? Sticking your heads in the sand? More apologizing by President Limpwrist to all those Muslims that this horrible country's shameful provocations have made feel all icky?
    I'd start with not throwing rocks at the hornets nest. Less you have a plan for success, then hucking rocks shouldn't be on the table.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'd start with not throwing rocks at the hornets nest. Less you have a plan for success, then hucking rocks shouldn't be on the table.
    In other words, you would do nothing at all to fight Muslim jihadists. Just let them keep beheading, raping, taking over territory, and wait for the day when they attack us here again. That is only a plan for defeat--but it sounds so reasonable and peaceful.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    In other words, you would do nothing at all to fight Muslim jihadists. Just let them keep beheading, raping, taking over territory, and wait for the day when they attack us here again. That is only a plan for defeat--but it sounds so reasonable and peaceful.
    Defeat huh? So emboldening the terrorists, destabilizing governments and allowing them a firmer foothold, that's the plan to success, huh? This mess wouldn't be as bad as it is today if we didn't go into Iraq in the first place, and that's just a fact. So y'all did worse that doing nothing.

    No plan, no action. It's as simple as that.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Defeat huh? So emboldening the terrorists, destabilizing governments and allowing them a firmer foothold, that's the plan to success, huh? This mess wouldn't be as bad as it is today if we didn't go into Iraq in the first place, and that's just a fact. So y'all did worse that doing nothing.

    No plan, no action. It's as simple as that.
    No, that is not a fact. It is propaganda, and I do not agree with any of it. What y'all call "simple" is only simple-minded.

    It is six years of your president's appeasement of Islamic jihadists that has emboldened them. He is the one who has spent six years kissing the feet of the vile Islamist mutts who rule Iran. It is his shameful kowtowing that has encouraged them to try to expand their influence in Syria and Iraq, which revived the Sunni jihadism so many American servicemen died to purge from Iraq. Your president's campaign against ISIS is so puny and weak-willed that those jihadists recently were able to capture Ramadi. That is a city of a half-million or more, only seventy miles from Baghdad--and several hundred U.S. servicemen died to secure it not many years ago. They died in vain, thanks to President Pinprick.

    It is this anti-Semitic, America-loathing Marxist himself who has been destabilizing governments in the Arab world. Libya is a jihadist hellhole today because Barack Hussein Obama saw fit to start a private war against Moammar Khaddafi. Egypt is only as stable as it is today because the efforts of Barack Hussein Obama and his disgraceful Secretary of State to install the Muslim Brotherhood candidate, Mohammed Morsi, soon failed when the Egyptian people ousted Morsi, as they had Mubarak before him. Iraq is in chaos today because Barack Hussein Obama lacked the will to leave behind a U.S. force to keep the relatively peaceful, stable conditions which--as Obama himself boasted in his Fort Bragg speech of December 14, 2011--the U.S. had finally succeeded in achieving. He cut and ran, using a status-of-forces agreement as a convenient fig leaf to cover his own lack of nerve and leadership.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    No, that is not a fact. It is propaganda, and I do not agree with any of it. What y'all call "simple" is only simple-minded.

    It is six years of your president's appeasement of Islamic jihadists that has emboldened them. He is the one who has spent six years kissing the feet of the vile Islamist mutts who rule Iran. It is his shameful kowtowing that has encouraged them to try to expand their influence in Syria and Iraq, which revived the Sunni jihadism so many American servicemen died to purge from Iraq. Your president's campaign against ISIS is so puny and weak-willed that those jihadists recently were able to capture Ramadi. That is a city of a half-million or more, only seventy miles from Baghdad--and several hundred U.S. servicemen died to secure it not many years ago. They died in vain, thanks to President Pinprick.

    It is this anti-Semitic, America-loathing Marxist himself who has been destabilizing governments in the Arab world. Libya is a jihadist hellhole today because Barack Hussein Obama saw fit to start a private war against Moammar Khaddafi. Egypt is only as stable as it is today because the efforts of Barack Hussein Obama and his disgraceful Secretary of State to install the Muslim Brotherhood candidate, Mohammed Morsi, soon failed when the Egyptian people ousted Morsi, as they had Mubarak before him. Iraq is in chaos today because Barack Hussein Obama lacked the will to leave behind a U.S. force to keep the relatively peaceful, stable conditions which--as Obama himself boasted in his Fort Bragg speech of December 14, 2011--the U.S. had finally succeeded in achieving. He cut and ran, using a status-of-forces agreement as a convenient fig leaf to cover his own lack of nerve and leadership.
    I didn't vote for Obama, he's the same as Bush and I didn't want another Bush.

    There's no propaganda. How long ago did we start this war? Neigh 14 years, and in 14 years we've only gone backwards. Sorry that reality isn't something you want to acknowledge, but it doesn't change reality.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't vote for Obama, he's the same as Bush and I didn't want another Bush.

    There's no propaganda. How long ago did we start this war? Neigh 14 years, and in 14 years we've only gone backwards. Sorry that reality isn't something you want to acknowledge, but it doesn't change reality.
    I would say it is you who is not acknowledging reality. You would like to pretend these sons of bitches can be appeased or accommodated, when in fact the only remedy for them is to kill them by the thousands, preferably from the air.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I would say it is you who is not acknowledging reality. You would like to pretend these sons of bitches can be appeased or accommodated, when in fact the only remedy for them is to kill them by the thousands, preferably from the air.
    I'm not pretending anything. Just stating facts. ME is worse off since we intervened. We have stronger and more aggressive terrorist organizations, entire countries falling to terrorist organizations and attacks, and no hope of coming to a solution after nearly 14 years. 14 years. The greatest military on the planet has only gone backwards in 14 years of effort.

    Just a fact.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I would say it is you who is not acknowledging reality. You would like to pretend these sons of bitches can be appeased or accommodated, when in fact the only remedy for them is to kill them by the thousands, preferably from the air.
    Who is saying that they should be "appeased or accommodated"? What I'm reading is that the war in Iraq was poorly thought out, had no clear goals, and has been a disaster. It would be pretty difficult to argue otherwise, given the situation currently. All that the Republicans can do is say that the Democrats are to blame, and the Democrats have no argument except to throw the blame on Republicans. Guess what? This is not a partisan failure.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't vote for Obama, he's the same as Bush and I didn't want another Bush.

    There's no propaganda. How long ago did we start this war? Neigh 14 years, and in 14 years we've only gone backwards. Sorry that reality isn't something you want to acknowledge, but it doesn't change reality.
    5 years ago, the country was described as stable. We know for a fact that the surge killed terrorists, drove them out of Iraq, and cornered the remaining small group in Mosul. While people disagree about the effectiveness of 'the surge' and argue that it may have been due to other circumstances, what is undeniable is that a major difference was made during that time period. Joe Biden toured the land. He went all over Iraq. It was described as fully in control and he expressed how impressed he was with the success and with the development of our Iraqi Allies. He touted Iraq as Obamas greatest foreign policy accomplishment. Then the decision was made to not negotiate the SOFA and to withdraw ALL US troops.

    What happened after that?

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    5 years ago, the country was described as stable. We know for a fact that the surge killed terrorists, drove them out of Iraq, and cornered the remaining small group in Mosul. While people disagree about the effectiveness of 'the surge' and argue that it may have been due to other circumstances, what is undeniable is that a major difference was made during that time period. Joe Biden toured the land. He went all over Iraq. It was described as fully in control and he expressed how impressed he was with the success and with the development of our Iraqi Allies. He touted Iraq as Obamas greatest foreign policy accomplishment. Then the decision was made to not negotiate the SOFA and to withdraw ALL US troops.

    What happened after that?
    Syria happened, then the whole mess fell apart.
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