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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As in ALL from the taxpayers (be it this generation or those 40 years from now)? Sure. But they arent competing dollars. Funds or the VA arent allocated based on what is allocated to foreign equipment sales or even military support. Even within budgets (for instance,the military budget) there is mandated/fenced funding and discretionary funding. Even within the VA there is mandatory and discretionary funding (and the VA received an 8% increase in funding this year).

    Money is not necessarily the only problem with the VA care these days.
    I use the VA healthcare system, and have had very little problems. VA benefits, however, took a long time to get it right. Not to worry, they paid retroactively to my application date. If a person has a serious healthcare issue, retroactive good health is not likely.
    The ones in Phoenix that the media reported so much, I have to wonder why they insisted on using the VA if they are old enough to have access to medicare. One of my pinocle playing friends did just that. He refused to sign up for medicare, and it may have cost him a few years of his life. The VA has never been run well enough, or staffed sufficiently, to be considered top notch medicine. Surely we all know that.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Yeah it is 1 source.

    And Bosnia? We're talking about casualties and wounded vets and you are comparing Bosnia, with what? 40-50 casualties to Iraq, with 40,000-50,000 casualties? You keep right on pointing your finger at other people who are 'partisan'. Because you sure aren't.

    Anyway have a good night.
    Whoa....We are talking about 'unnecessary wars', right? And you dont even want to THINK about the US involvement in Bosnia from 1994 to 2008 and and then back again in 2013? Why is that? OH...THATS right.....

    Or do you mean to imply that it was NOT an unnecessary war? See...I thought THAT was your kick...this thing about politicians (especially those seeking deferments) taking us to war.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I use the VA healthcare system, and have had very little problems. VA benefits, however, took a long time to get it right. Not to worry, they paid retroactively to my application date. If a person has a serious healthcare issue, retroactive good health is not likely.
    The ones in Phoenix that the media reported so much, I have to wonder why they insisted on using the VA if they are old enough to have access to medicare. One of my pinocle playing friends did just that. He refused to sign up for medicare, and it may have cost him a few years of his life. The VA has never been run well enough, or staffed sufficiently, to be considered top notch medicine. Surely we all know that.
    The VA is so administratively top heavy it isnt funny. They have expanded their mission from helping the 'War Veteran' to being a catch all for anyone that has served that has no other means...and often times their spouse as well. They went from managing transitional pensions to now managing a dual retirement system with the concurrent disability pay. They have an ever expanding base of clinics, each requiring MORE administration and MORE oversight. They have gone from Mental Health Clinic with different departments to NUMEROUS specialty clinics offering lifetime benefits and services...and each of THOSE clinics have administration pools (OEF/OIF Clinic, PTSD Clinic, TBI Clinic Gulf War Vets Clinic, Vietnam Vets Clinic, Womens Center, Military Sexual Trauma Clinic, Drug and Alcohol Treatment Center, etc. (Oh yeah...and in and outpatient treatment for most of those clinics). They also have included a Homeless Veterans Center.

    I think they do a pretty decent job for the most part. But the providers are overwhelmed.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I would rather see the Europeans and other Arabs oblige them. We've spent enough blood and money in that hell hole. But if YOU want to oblige them, Bon Voyage.
    Both the euros and Arabs are notoriously ill prepared and lack the will-if not also the strength.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Both the euros and Arabs are notoriously ill prepared and lack the will-if not also the strength.
    If the Arabs don't want to be slaughtered by ISIS and the Europeans need Arab oil that should give them both plenty of incentive. Time for them to step up, we've played world cop since WWII. Enough is enough. Let someone else spend the money and blood to fix the ME hell hole.

    I realize this is all wishful thinking by me. The MIC, the oil companies, and the war hawks in DC will never let us leave the ME. I just wish the American public smartens up and holds the politicians feet to the fire. It won't happen though.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    then let them buy those weapons. better than having our weapons used against us. let it be known that if we're giving you weapons, we can turn that **** off when we want. probably that will mean that they won't want them. good. we need the money for other stuff anyway.
    This was always the plan. Remember we gave Al-Qaida and ISIS money and weapons because they were "moderate rebels". It's no surprised that we gave them humvees too. I'm pretty sure they'll get ahold of some of the surplus Abrams tanks that our military has been begging our Congresscritters to stop sending.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    If the Arabs don't want to be slaughtered by ISIS and the Europeans need Arab oil that should give them both plenty of incentive. Time for them to step up, we've played world cop since WWII. Enough is enough. Let someone else spend the money and blood to fix the ME hell hole.

    I realize this is all wishful thinking by me. The MIC, the oil companies, and the war hawks in DC will never let us leave the ME. I just wish the American public smartens up and holds the politicians feet to the fire. It won't happen though.
    You are correct in that it wont happen (we have a global economy-by definition so does the world). We will have to protect commerce.

    Heres my question-since we both acknowledge this reality-why not do something about it?

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You are correct in that it wont happen (we have a global economy-by definition so does the world). We will have to protect commerce.

    Heres my question-since we both acknowledge this reality-why not do something about it?
    I'm just tired of the American blood and the trillions being wasted in a hell hole. In an area that will never be at peace. We're in a war that we can not win. We can hold them off, we can put more boots on the ground, calm things down a little. But we can't win, as soon as we leave, or even let-up it will start again.

    It's a waste of men and money.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    But we can't win, as soon as we leave, or even let-up it will start again.
    The answer is obvious. We need eternal, neverending war.
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