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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    We will build more for them, oh wait, the Humvee is made in China now, so I guess we can buy them from China and give them to Iraq.....
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Marked the end of [i]military[/b] operations in Iraq. It did not end all operations in Iraq nor did it end all military operations in the ME. We had to go expand and proliferate our forever war in other nations. We'll leave Iraq to fester and then excuse another military incursion into it. We're not done, Forever War doesn't simply end.



    Yes yes, we're at war with an idea and y'all have no idea how to fight it. That's quite clear. Meanwhile we expand our own government, we spend trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives, all for something that has no plan and as of this date has not once been handled well or intelligently. So what are we supposed to do? Grin and bear it? How about, y'all figure out a plan to succeed and until such time, we don't go making things worse?
    And just what plan, pray tell, do y'all have, in your preternatural wisdom? Appeasement? Sticking your heads in the sand? More apologizing by President Limpwrist to all those Muslims that this horrible country's shameful provocations have made feel all icky?

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Waste. Whatcha' mean, waste. Corporate America has thrived upon Iraq. GE, Haliburton, Raytheon, BAC, Z(Academi), Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Boeing, GM, and hundreds of other Corporations have profitted handsomely. You miss the point that War is Good Business and any good marketing strategy will have these same Corporations beating the bushes to find, create, stimulate, and renew wars in the far corners of the World. Get a grip, my good man, your Country needs you to support these profits at every turn or the K Street coffers may cause Billionaire Congressmen to become Millionaires, don't ya' know? Even a paltry war eats a billion dollars and uses millions of barrels of petro product. Proifits! "War is good business and business is good." Get behind your weapons dealer, raise the flag, salute, kiss a few of your kiddies goodbye. Those profits are important, eh?
    Yep. And I sit here watching TV and see one commercial after another about these charities and funds like Wounded Warriors to benefits wounded Vets. Then I got to watch these phony baloney PoS politicians with their little American flag pins on their lapels, and them talking about being patriotic and how we have to support the troops! Yet these troops need help from PRIVATE organizations to get healthier?!?

    There's trillions for Humvees and planes but the vets need help from outside charities? WTF?
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We were lied to in order to get into this war, why would it be a surprise that we'd be lied to in order to sustain and proliferate it? Forever War isn't typically built upon honest truth.
    No we weren't.

    Thats a ridiculous manufactured narrative.

    Of Bush lied so did prominent Democrats going all the way back to the late 90s when they claimed Saddam not only had WMD but had plans to go Nuclear

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Yep. And I sit here watching TV and see one commercial after another about these charities and funds like Wounded Warriors to benefits wounded Vets. Then I got to watch these phony baloney PoS politicians with their little American flag pins on their lapels, and them talking about being patriotic and how we have to support the troops! Yet these troops need help from PRIVATE organizations to get healthier?!?

    There's trillions for Humvees and planes but the vets need help from outside charities? WTF?
    I can tell you are really shocked and outraged about fundraising groups. OK. I hope you are sitting down...because what I am about to tell you may floor you. You ready? Those fund raising groups? They are kind of a profit gig. See...a lot of that money raised goes to pay for the foundations...not just to the 'Wounded Warriors".

    Theres LOTS of funding for wounded vets. I dont know that there can ever be enough but there are lots. The Wounded Warrior Groups worked within a government funded organization called a Warrior Transition Unit. Some of those services are offered above and beyond what is funded. Groups like the Fisher House...just an amazing organization.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I can tell you are really shocked and outraged about fundraising groups. OK. I hope you are sitting down...because what I am about to tell you may floor you. You ready? Those fund raising groups? They are kind of a profit gig. See...a lot of that money raised goes to pay for the foundations...not just to the 'Wounded Warriors".
    I know that. I also know how inept and incompetent the VA is. I know 1st hand. I know we spend trillions overseas because of BS wars started by BS politicians like 5 deferment Cheney and others, and then when these guys come home they are for the most part, forgotten by those very same politicians, and the VA.

    That was my point.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Seems to me that its time to stop screwing around and actually conduct an actual war on ISIS. They're getting bigger everytime I turn around. I know that there are folks that would prefer a "civilized" war if we're going to be in one but quite frankly this is just going to go on and on and on until we do go to WAR.

    If we don't then we might as well pack up and go home. Leave the middle east to those that live in the ME. If they want to truly get rid of ISIS then they will do it. Even if it means some other ME country going in there and doing the job and making Iraq no longer be. IE: some other country go in there and claim it as part of their own permanently.
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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Waste. Whatcha' mean, waste. Corporate America has thrived upon Iraq. GE, Haliburton, Raytheon, BAC, Z(Academi), Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Boeing, GM, and hundreds of other Corporations have profitted handsomely. You miss the point that War is Good Business and any good marketing strategy will have these same Corporations beating the bushes to find, create, stimulate, and renew wars in the far corners of the World. Get a grip, my good man, your Country needs you to support these profits at every turn or the K Street coffers may cause Billionaire Congressmen to become Millionaires, don't ya' know? Even a paltry war eats a billion dollars and uses millions of barrels of petro product. Proifits! "War is good business and business is good." Get behind your weapons dealer, raise the flag, salute, kiss a few of your kiddies goodbye. Those profits are important, eh?
    i'm well aware that war generates a lot of money for some people. arming assholes who are slightly preferable to some other asshole and then sending our soldiers to fight against those same weapons five years later is still a waste.

    it's also somewhat stunning that even after this same thing has happened multiple times, no one thought to maybe put a damned kill switch on the weapons before handing them over? i mean, really. this has to be possible. why does IS have American humvees that work? why does ANYONE have one of our crashed drones? i mean, self destruct if there's a problem, maybe?

    FFS.

    no more endless war in the Middle East or anywhere else. bring all of our troops home now, and send them to college instead.

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We will build more for them, oh wait, the Humvee is made in China now, so I guess we can buy them from China and give them to Iraq.....
    2,300 Humvees. Gotta be worth a billion dollars. Gonna be a nice fat contract for somebody. Let me hypothesize that perhaps a Chinese Corporation co-owned by a USA Corporation and a Congressman with lots of stock in said Corporation will give us, the USA, a sweetheart deal to middleman a deal to replace said Humvees. Can you not see the upside for profit going forward. Replacement military equiptment contracts. Profits. KeeRist mon, this is what wars are about. Hug your teenage child and donate him for cannon fodder, eh?

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    Re: Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm well aware that war generates a lot of money for some people. arming assholes who are slightly preferable to some other asshole and then sending our soldiers to fight against those same weapons five years later is still a waste.

    it's also somewhat stunning that even after this same thing has happened multiple times, no one thought to maybe put a damned kill switch on the weapons before handing them over? i mean, really. this has to be possible. why does IS have American humvees that work? why does ANYONE have one of our crashed drones? i mean, self destruct if there's a problem, maybe?

    FFS.

    no more endless war in the Middle East or anywhere else. bring all of our troops home now, and send them to college instead.
    Newer USA weapons do have computerized shutoffs and it has caused some trepidation in the arms Industries. This shutoff has turned off many potential buyers that do not want their weapon functionality to be controlled by the Pentagon. Other Nations in the arms business have been quick to point out that their products don't have any backdoor switches.

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