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Iraq lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul: PM

You are making things up. President Pinocchio was speaking in December, 2014 to mark the end of the U.S. military effort in Iraq. Nothing whatever about his comments was meant to "sustain" or "proliferate" that effort.

Marked the end of military[/b] operations in Iraq. It did not end all operations in Iraq nor did it end all military operations in the ME. We had to go expand and proliferate our forever war in other nations. We'll leave Iraq to fester and then excuse another military incursion into it. We're not done, Forever War doesn't simply end.

And the western world is in a war with Muslim jihadists, whether anyone likes it or not. It may go on for decades. There are millions of jihadists, they are inspired by the most orthodox texts in Islam, and they will never quit, no matter how much fools try to appease them. The only way to defeat them is to kill so many of them--and to make it look easy--that other Muslims will come to see them and their views as a losing proposition. Bin Laden was right about one thing--among them, people shun the "weak horse" and follow the strong one.

Yes yes, we're at war with an idea and y'all have no idea how to fight it. That's quite clear. Meanwhile we expand our own government, we spend trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives, all for something that has no plan and as of this date has not once been handled well or intelligently. So what are we supposed to do? Grin and bear it? How about, y'all figure out a plan to succeed and until such time, we don't go making things worse?
 
Thanks to the 2003 war we're now 12 years in for a 30 years war in the Middle East. At least 30 years.

What a f'ing mess.
 
what a ****ing waste.

and not without precedent.

United States support for Iraq during the Iran

Waste. Whatcha' mean, waste. Corporate America has thrived upon Iraq. GE, Haliburton, Raytheon, BAC, Z(Academi), Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Boeing, GM, and hundreds of other Corporations have profitted handsomely. You miss the point that War is Good Business and any good marketing strategy will have these same Corporations beating the bushes to find, create, stimulate, and renew wars in the far corners of the World. Get a grip, my good man, your Country needs you to support these profits at every turn or the K Street coffers may cause Billionaire Congressmen to become Millionaires, don't ya' know? Even a paltry war eats a billion dollars and uses millions of barrels of petro product. Proifits! "War is good business and business is good." Get behind your weapons dealer, raise the flag, salute, kiss a few of your kiddies goodbye. Those profits are important, eh?
 
We will build more for them, oh wait, the Humvee is made in China now, so I guess we can buy them from China and give them to Iraq.....:shock:
 
Marked the end of military[/b] operations in Iraq. It did not end all operations in Iraq nor did it end all military operations in the ME. We had to go expand and proliferate our forever war in other nations. We'll leave Iraq to fester and then excuse another military incursion into it. We're not done, Forever War doesn't simply end.



Yes yes, we're at war with an idea and y'all have no idea how to fight it. That's quite clear. Meanwhile we expand our own government, we spend trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives, all for something that has no plan and as of this date has not once been handled well or intelligently. So what are we supposed to do? Grin and bear it? How about, y'all figure out a plan to succeed and until such time, we don't go making things worse?


And just what plan, pray tell, do y'all have, in your preternatural wisdom? Appeasement? Sticking your heads in the sand? More apologizing by President Limpwrist to all those Muslims that this horrible country's shameful provocations have made feel all icky?
 
Waste. Whatcha' mean, waste. Corporate America has thrived upon Iraq. GE, Haliburton, Raytheon, BAC, Z(Academi), Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Boeing, GM, and hundreds of other Corporations have profitted handsomely. You miss the point that War is Good Business and any good marketing strategy will have these same Corporations beating the bushes to find, create, stimulate, and renew wars in the far corners of the World. Get a grip, my good man, your Country needs you to support these profits at every turn or the K Street coffers may cause Billionaire Congressmen to become Millionaires, don't ya' know? Even a paltry war eats a billion dollars and uses millions of barrels of petro product. Proifits! "War is good business and business is good." Get behind your weapons dealer, raise the flag, salute, kiss a few of your kiddies goodbye. Those profits are important, eh?

Yep. And I sit here watching TV and see one commercial after another about these charities and funds like Wounded Warriors to benefits wounded Vets. Then I got to watch these phony baloney PoS politicians with their little American flag pins on their lapels, and them talking about being patriotic and how we have to support the troops! Yet these troops need help from PRIVATE organizations to get healthier?!?

There's trillions for Humvees and planes but the vets need help from outside charities? WTF?
 
We were lied to in order to get into this war, why would it be a surprise that we'd be lied to in order to sustain and proliferate it? Forever War isn't typically built upon honest truth.

No we weren't.

Thats a ridiculous manufactured narrative.

Of Bush lied so did prominent Democrats going all the way back to the late 90s when they claimed Saddam not only had WMD but had plans to go Nuclear
 
Yep. And I sit here watching TV and see one commercial after another about these charities and funds like Wounded Warriors to benefits wounded Vets. Then I got to watch these phony baloney PoS politicians with their little American flag pins on their lapels, and them talking about being patriotic and how we have to support the troops! Yet these troops need help from PRIVATE organizations to get healthier?!?

There's trillions for Humvees and planes but the vets need help from outside charities? WTF?
I can tell you are really shocked and outraged about fundraising groups. OK. I hope you are sitting down...because what I am about to tell you may floor you. You ready? Those fund raising groups? They are kind of a profit gig. See...a lot of that money raised goes to pay for the foundations...not just to the 'Wounded Warriors".

Theres LOTS of funding for wounded vets. I dont know that there can ever be enough but there are lots. The Wounded Warrior Groups worked within a government funded organization called a Warrior Transition Unit. Some of those services are offered above and beyond what is funded. Groups like the Fisher House...just an amazing organization.
 
I can tell you are really shocked and outraged about fundraising groups. OK. I hope you are sitting down...because what I am about to tell you may floor you. You ready? Those fund raising groups? They are kind of a profit gig. See...a lot of that money raised goes to pay for the foundations...not just to the 'Wounded Warriors".

I know that. I also know how inept and incompetent the VA is. I know 1st hand. I know we spend trillions overseas because of BS wars started by BS politicians like 5 deferment Cheney and others, and then when these guys come home they are for the most part, forgotten by those very same politicians, and the VA.

That was my point.
 
Seems to me that its time to stop screwing around and actually conduct an actual war on ISIS. They're getting bigger everytime I turn around. I know that there are folks that would prefer a "civilized" war if we're going to be in one but quite frankly this is just going to go on and on and on until we do go to WAR.

If we don't then we might as well pack up and go home. Leave the middle east to those that live in the ME. If they want to truly get rid of ISIS then they will do it. Even if it means some other ME country going in there and doing the job and making Iraq no longer be. IE: some other country go in there and claim it as part of their own permanently.
 
Waste. Whatcha' mean, waste. Corporate America has thrived upon Iraq. GE, Haliburton, Raytheon, BAC, Z(Academi), Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Boeing, GM, and hundreds of other Corporations have profitted handsomely. You miss the point that War is Good Business and any good marketing strategy will have these same Corporations beating the bushes to find, create, stimulate, and renew wars in the far corners of the World. Get a grip, my good man, your Country needs you to support these profits at every turn or the K Street coffers may cause Billionaire Congressmen to become Millionaires, don't ya' know? Even a paltry war eats a billion dollars and uses millions of barrels of petro product. Proifits! "War is good business and business is good." Get behind your weapons dealer, raise the flag, salute, kiss a few of your kiddies goodbye. Those profits are important, eh?

i'm well aware that war generates a lot of money for some people. arming assholes who are slightly preferable to some other asshole and then sending our soldiers to fight against those same weapons five years later is still a waste.

it's also somewhat stunning that even after this same thing has happened multiple times, no one thought to maybe put a damned kill switch on the weapons before handing them over? i mean, really. this has to be possible. why does IS have American humvees that work? why does ANYONE have one of our crashed drones? i mean, self destruct if there's a problem, maybe?

FFS.

no more endless war in the Middle East or anywhere else. bring all of our troops home now, and send them to college instead.
 
We will build more for them, oh wait, the Humvee is made in China now, so I guess we can buy them from China and give them to Iraq.....:shock:

2,300 Humvees. Gotta be worth a billion dollars. Gonna be a nice fat contract for somebody. Let me hypothesize that perhaps a Chinese Corporation co-owned by a USA Corporation and a Congressman with lots of stock in said Corporation will give us, the USA, a sweetheart deal to middleman a deal to replace said Humvees. Can you not see the upside for profit going forward. Replacement military equiptment contracts. Profits. KeeRist mon, this is what wars are about. Hug your teenage child and donate him for cannon fodder, eh?
 
i'm well aware that war generates a lot of money for some people. arming assholes who are slightly preferable to some other asshole and then sending our soldiers to fight against those same weapons five years later is still a waste.

it's also somewhat stunning that even after this same thing has happened multiple times, no one thought to maybe put a damned kill switch on the weapons before handing them over? i mean, really. this has to be possible. why does IS have American humvees that work? why does ANYONE have one of our crashed drones? i mean, self destruct if there's a problem, maybe?

FFS.

no more endless war in the Middle East or anywhere else. bring all of our troops home now, and send them to college instead.

Newer USA weapons do have computerized shutoffs and it has caused some trepidation in the arms Industries. This shutoff has turned off many potential buyers that do not want their weapon functionality to be controlled by the Pentagon. Other Nations in the arms business have been quick to point out that their products don't have any backdoor switches.
 
Years ago it was the PLO. Then the Muslim Brotherhood. Then the Taliban. Then AQ. Now ISIS. I may have the order wrong, and I might have left out a few, but the point it if/when we kill off ISIS another group will pop up and take their place.

Time to get out, all the way out. Let the Arabs and because the Europeans depend on ME oil so much they can get their hands dirty too.

But as was pointed out. Us being at war every single year is great for business.
 
I know that. I also know how inept and incompetent the VA is. I know 1st hand. I know we spend trillions overseas because of BS wars started by BS politicians like 5 deferment Cheney and others, and then when these guys come home they are for the most part, forgotten by those very same politicians, and the VA.

That was my point.
Oh...come now...your 'point' is rather transparent. Hw did you feel about that BS war Clinton got us into? And BTW...Cheney didnt get us into the war...Bush did. Do you see him 'forgetting' about those guys?

You DO understand that the investment in foreign assistance in no way cuts into the investment in assistance to VA support...right? Or that the VA may have problem s that have NOTHING to do with available dollar amounts? That Warrior Transition Units, SFACS, and other soldier support groups are completely funded via congress through a completely separate budget? And that volunteer support agencies exist...always have existed...and and are merely a way for private citizens to contribute above and beyond to what is already provided? That you are really just off on a partisan rant that is completely disconnected from facts and reality?
 
Newer USA weapons do have computerized shutoffs and it has caused some trepidation in the arms Industries. This shutoff has turned off many potential buyers that do not want their weapon functionality to be controlled by the Pentagon. Other Nations in the arms business have been quick to point out that their products don't have any backdoor switches.

then let them buy those weapons. better than having our weapons used against us. let it be known that if we're giving you weapons, we can turn that **** off when we want. probably that will mean that they won't want them. good. we need the money for other stuff anyway.
 
Oh...come now...your 'point' is rather transparent. Hw did you feel about that BS war Clinton got us into? And BTW...Cheney didnt get us into the war...Bush did. Do you see him 'forgetting' about those guys?

You DO understand that the investment in foreign assistance in no way cuts into the investment in assistance to VA support...right? Or that the VA may have problem s that have NOTHING to do with available dollar amounts? That Warrior Transition Units, SFACS, and other soldier support groups are completely funded via congress through a completely separate budget? And that volunteer support agencies exist...always have existed...and and are merely a way for private citizens to contribute above and beyond to what is already provided? That you are really just off on a partisan rant that is completely disconnected from facts and reality?

completely separate budget? doesn't it all come from the same source?
 
And BTW...Cheney didnt get us into the war...Bush did. Do you see him 'forgetting' about those guys?

There's a distinction? The lengths you guys will go to protect Cheney, and then you point your fingers are others and accuse them of being partisan?

Anyway about the other stuff, nice story. It's all 1 source. You rather see the money spent on Humvees, I rather we make less Humvees and give the Vets more help.
 
completely separate budget? doesn't it all come from the same source?
As in ALL from the taxpayers (be it this generation or those 40 years from now)? Sure. But they arent competing dollars. Funds or the VA arent allocated based on what is allocated to foreign equipment sales or even military support. Even within budgets (for instance,the military budget) there is mandated/fenced funding and discretionary funding. Even within the VA there is mandatory and discretionary funding (and the VA received an 8% increase in funding this year).

Money is not necessarily the only problem with the VA care these days.
 
There's a distinction? The lengths you guys will go to protect Cheney, and then you point your fingers are others and accuse them of being partisan?

Anyway about the other stuff, nice story. It's all 1 source. You rather see the money spent on Humvees, I rather we make less Humvees and give the Vets more help.
Its not all one source. If you believe that you know nothing about it. And no one is protecting Cheney...merely assigning appropriate responsibility. FUnny how you refuse to do that. Well...NOT funny.

About that unnecessary war in Bosnia....
 
Years ago it was the PLO. Then the Muslim Brotherhood. Then the Taliban. Then AQ. Now ISIS. I may have the order wrong, and I might have left out a few, but the point it if/when we kill off ISIS another group will pop up and take their place.

Time to get out, all the way out. Let the Arabs and because the Europeans depend on ME oil so much they can get their hands dirty too.

But as was pointed out. Us being at war every single year is great for business.

Why wash your hair its just going to get dirty again.

If another group springs up, kill them too.

You don't reward them with their own country to rape/pillage/steal/murder.

If you wan't less terrorists, you establish a response that they can understand-shrapnel and bullets.

They want to die for allah, and I want to oblige them.
 
Its not all one source. If you believe that you know nothing about it. And no one is protecting Cheney...merely assigning appropriate responsibility. FUnny how you refuse to do that. Well...NOT funny.

About that unnecessary war in Bosnia....

Yeah it is 1 source.

And Bosnia? We're talking about casualties and wounded vets and you are comparing Bosnia, with what? 40-50 casualties to Iraq, with 40,000-50,000 casualties? You keep right on pointing your finger at other people who are 'partisan'. Because you sure aren't. :)

Anyway have a good night.
 
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