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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    '%s' mean precisely nothing as they are 'polls'. But...the plus side...if you are right this would be made manifest by a landslide, and it would be put to bed forever.

    Your hysterical rant in response is cute. In case you have missed it...I'm not invested in this. Couldnt give half a damn to be completely honest. I fully expect the Supreme Court to rule in favor of gay marriage and will be glad when it is done and over with and I only wish they had had the guts to take this on a decade ago.

    So...thats a YES BTW...right? You WOULD expect the pro-gay marriage side to just completely accept the SCOTUS decision as final...even if it goes against them. Glad to see we are all on the same page.
    The guy who doesn't care always seems to have a hypothetical gay marriage and gay marriage issues that he feels nobody has ever thought of (well, people have, they just find it absurd). Is that your shtick? This persona that doesn't really care about an issue but always seems to have some illogical hypothetical that tries but fails to get across its nonpoint? We get it. You feel that a constitutional amendment today has enough support because of laws passed on average 10 years ago when entire campaigns could be run on the gays coming to get you. The real world, however, has changed a bit in a decade even if your understanding of these issues hasn't. The reality is that I am so sure that SCOTUS will rule in favor of gay marriage advocates that I simply refuse to play your game of "what if?". It's not going to happen VanceMack, the right will lose on this issue and we'll get 50 years worth of whining about evil activist judges and how liberals are destroying society because da gays can get married.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    IDK what to tell you. If you get out of your parent's basement more maybe you'd see that on this issue things are changing.

    It's a poll from Pew, and they seem to have a good reputation. Just because you don't agree with their findings you think it's skewed and a big conspiracy between the government and the polling centers! I can only address that with sarcasm.
    You're a funny kid, but the last time I or my parents had a house with a basement was in the late 60s and I was already off to serve in the Army.

    And yes, Pew does propaganda polling too. They do commission polling as well. They are not as transparent in their methods or who is paying for the polling as you believe.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    IDK what to tell you. If you get out of your parent's basement more maybe you'd see that on this issue things are changing.

    It's a poll from Pew, and they seem to have a good reputation. Just because you don't agree with their findings you think it's skewed and a big conspiracy between the government and the polling centers! I can only address that with sarcasm.
    There have been a whole lot of polls -- Gallup has been polling the question for decades.

    Plus quite a few more. All -- All show a marked uptrend to place it now in majority status.

    These kind of skewed polls believers are wayyyy out of touch. Reminds me of Rove and the wishful connies on election night a few years back.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense, there is no electoral college for direct vote initiative.
    It's almost like you failed to understand my point so you could go on a tangent. MAJORITY OPINIONS which is what polls measure doesn't necessarily translate into majority power. I showed an example of that (electoral colleges). The majority of the US now supports gay marriage, that doesn't mean that majority has the same 60% voting power everywhere. Hell, it doesn't even mean they have that 60% voting power anywhere.

    What you're trying to avoid is saying the state legislatures, the closest direct representatives of the people show a reality that is out of odds with the propaganda polling.
    Direct representatives don't show what a majority of people/voters want. That's what this poll does. They (direct representatives) show what the voters who got them elected want. We have a plurality system. Please pursue this line where you confuse plurality with majority voting systems.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're a funny kid, but the last time I or my parents had a house with a basement was in the late 60s and I was already off to serve in the Army.

    And yes, Pew does propaganda polling too. They do commission polling as well. They are not as transparent in their methods or who is paying for the polling as you believe.
    Me too. I'm no kid.

    Time's a changing. And you're out of touch, and with due respect a little delusional it you believe all these polls are skewed and purposely misleading. America's views on gays are changing quickly.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Here's another tidbit:
    The majority of the states that put it on the ballot - voted 10-15 years ago.

    Attitudes change.


    The last 4 times Same-sex Marriage was on a General Election Ballot (2012), Marriage Equality won in all 4 cases. This shows the attitude change from years ago. As a matter of fact one of the States that voted in Marriage Equality was a State that had voted in discrimination just 3 years earlier (2009).*

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Me too. I'm no kid.

    Time's a changing. And you're out of touch, and with due respect a little delusional it you believe all these polls are skewed and purposely misleading. America's views on gays are changing quickly.
    It's absolutely ridiculous that in this day and age there are people who refer to these polls as mere "propaganda". Propaganda by whom!? The super secret gay club for gay acceptance? People really are coming to terms with the reality that homosexuality is not going back in the closet. Our society now has openly gay actors, gay characters, gay film directors, gay doctors, gay lawyers, gay lawmakers. What the hell do regular people do in a situation where they are exposed to gay people 24/7? Some will hold back but the majority will just accept it. The proof is in the pudding but there is a small group of people who simply ignore the very real interactions between people so that they can continue to scream that everyone hates gays as much as they do.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Me too. I'm no kid.

    Time's a changing. And you're out of touch, and with due respect a little delusional it you believe all these polls are skewed and purposely misleading. America's views on gays are changing quickly.

    The "polls" were skewed in Ireland too.

    A religious, conservative country like that: Voted near two to one to make SSM legal.

    When Ireland goes, it's over -- near two to one!

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    WTH is *this* supposed to mean:

    “I don’t advocate civil disobedience,” he said. “I do advocate the role of an informed citizen to try to overturn when a court makes a mistake and gets an issue wrong."
    That's a politician providing himself cover from the riots that may ensure from hard-line Right-Wing Evangelicals...you know, those people who are suppose to stand up for individual liberty except when the rules covering their version of morality trumps individual liberty on religious grounds. He's basically saying he'd stand out of the way if people who disagree with gay marriage as he does stand up against it. It's kind of like what happened during the lead-up to the Civil War. There were plenty of people who stood against changing "their southern way of life" despite the fact that their way infringed on the rights of human being to freely exist and no longer be treated as property. Granted, gay marriage doesn't reach that same standard of living, but the rational behind "changing the way things are into something I don't like" remains the same.

    BTW - my state has a new Republican governor that also recently announced he doesn't have to listen the State Supreme Court when he believes they are 'wrong'!

    Must be something in the water.
    But it's not the State Supreme Courts rulings that Santorum, Huckabee or Carson are advocating defiance against. It's the actually Supreme Court of the United States, the last arbiter of justice in our land. If you're not going to respect their judgement and instead seek to over turn such unpopular decisions using civil disobedience to do it, then you may as well be calling for anarchy.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Um...

    This is a list from 2013:


    Delaware – Legislatively - 2013
    District of Columbia – Legislatively - 2009
    Hawaii – Legislatively - 2013
    Illinois – Legislatively - 2013
    Maine – Ballot – 2012
    Maryland – Ballot - 2012
    Minnesota – Ballot/Legislatively - 2012
    New Hampshire – Legislatively - 2009
    New York – Legislatively - 2011
    Rhode Island – Legislatively - 2013
    Vermont – Legislatively - 2009
    Washington – Ballot - 2012 *

    (there may be a few more since then, I'll have to check)

    Nearly a third.

    *Hattip to WorldWatcher
    How nice and I'm perfectly okay with that. Then there should be no need for the SCOTUS to be deciding a state's issue as it is. Just like medical or recreational marijuana. If that's a priority for you, then move to a state that allows it.

    And btw, Santorum would never be my choice for POTUS, nor would I vote for him for dogcatcher.

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